American Association Of Flag Burners...

[Packy]

Hi, everybody. I would like to be involved in an organization, just for the heck of it. The fellowship, the camaraderie, and all that crud. I live in the Bible Belt, where there are prolly two or three churches on every block--littlebittychurches, great big churches, in-between churches. Churches Galore. But see---church isn't my cup o' tea. So, I was thinking about starting my own organization---starting initially on Facebook, and see if it catches on. The Principal Belief that underlies my motivating concept is that--I really dislike people who make a huge deal of being patriotic. It is as annoying as people who mow too much--maybe moreso. So, what my organization will be called is "The American Flag Burners Association". We will hold meetings, and ceremoniously burn flags. Usually USA flags, but sometimes Canadian, Mexican, and French Flags. We will prolly burn North Korean Flags, too. Just whatever is appropriate for the occasion. But mostly--Old Glory. I do hope you kids will join my new organization. Hope that helps you some. Thankk Mee.

[rosarugosa]

Hey Packy, I'm not quite following you here. My contempt for organized religion knows no bounds, and patriotism isn't one of my chief self-identifiers, but I'm not really up for burning flags either. Couldn't we just burn some pizzas instead?

[iris lilies]

Hey Packy, I'm not quite following you here. My contempt for organized religion knows no bounds, and patriotism isn't one of my chief self-identifiers, but I'm not really up for burning flags either. Couldn't we just burn some pizzas instead?old cars. I want an annual event where we get all riled up with mystical feelings, we speak in tongues,and we burn old cars.we dance around them as they burn.

[Alan]

old cars. I want an annual event where we get all riled up with mystical feelings, we speak in tongues,and we burn old cars.we dance around them as they burn.But only Packards and Studebakers, since they shared components. Well, we could add AMC's too just for variety.

[iris lilies]

But only Packards and Studebakers, since they shared components. Well, we could add AMC's too just for variety.

oh but no Gremlins, they would be exempt. Can't burn a Gremlin, thet must all go to Mexico to be saved!

[lessisbest]

The cartoon character on greeting cards, "Maxine" (ergo the artist), said "If you MUST burn our flag, please wrap yourself in it first."

[ToomuchStuff]

There are two organizations that I know burn flags in the USA: The VFW and the Boy Scouts. Then there are things like protesters or groups like Isis, which might be more up to your speed, as they complain about what others do and think.

[Packy]

Well, okay then. I take your responses to mean that you kids are not interested. I been thinking about leasing a large vacant building, hauling in dirt, and making an indoor mowing track. That way, obsessive mowers will have a place where they can mow, day in, day out, hour after hour, week after week, month after month. Even in winter or otherwise inclement weather. I might make it a 24-hour facility, so that obsessive mowers with insomnia or who are Early birds can go in, at any hour, and mow like crazy without bothering anyone. See? Hope that helps you some. Thankk Mee.

[Packy]

But only Packards and Studebakers, since they shared components. Well, we could add AMC's too just for variety.So, what components did they share? Just curious.

[Alan]

So, what components did they share? Just curious.
Most, in later models. Packard bought Studebaker in the early 50's and many of their subsequent models shared body's, interiors (with minor modifications) and engines/drivetrains. I believe the Packard Clipper may have been sold under both nameplates and the entire Packard lineup in their last few years of operation were re-branded Studebakers.

[JaneV2.0]

Those new-fangled flags, being mostly petroleum products, burn to a hard little pellet in no time. Not much fun in that. I'm all for indoor-track mowing, however.

[Packy]

Those new-fangled flags, being mostly petroleum products, burn to a hard little pellet in no time. Not much fun in that. I'm all for indoor-track mowing, however. Glad to see you are on board with the mowing fanaticism, Jane. It should overtake Bowling, Golf, Tennis, and watching Judge Judy, combined, as a form of recreation. It will have to ride hard in order to catch up with Car Jocking, though. People just have to get out and DRIVE, just for something to DO. Callyfornyans, for instance--they find a modest $875,000 stigmatized tiny house on the side of a cliff that they like/can afford in a neighborhood that is arguably relatively safe from natural disasters and crime in say--Hasta LaVista, Callyfornya, and they think nothing of commuting 75 miles one-way to their hi-tech aerospace microcircuit basketweaving job in Nacho Belle Grande, Callyfornya. Heck, they prolly even go home for lunch!

[Packy]

Most, in later models. Packard bought Studebaker in the early 50's and many of their subsequent models shared body's, interiors (with minor modifications) and engines/drivetrains. I believe the Packard Clipper may have been sold under both nameplates and the entire Packard lineup in their last few years of operation were re-branded Studebakers. Well, not to be a pedant, but: The story goes that Packard "bought" Studebaker, at least from an accountants' pov. But, from everyone elses' perspective, it was the other way around. They were two of the four "independents", that produced distinctly different cars. A 4-way merger had been proposed early on. But, as it turned out, Hudson & Nash-Kelvinator merged to form American Motors, and Studebaker with Packard, to be called Studebaker-Packard until 1962. Packard, (as did Hudson), had its' assembly plant in Detroit, and Packard also had a nice, newer engine plant in New York. Packard had built an improved version of the Rolls Royce airplane engine during WW2, and in 1955-56, built their newly-designed OHV V8 car engines. Packard Body shells were made by Briggs; Chrysler Corp bought Briggs, and put Packard on notice to build their own bodies, which they did in 55-56. Packard sold some 55-56 engines to AMC, who by then was using Nash bodies to build Hudsons, too. See? The Packard 352 V8 was also installed in the 4,071 1956 Studebaker Golden Hawks, which was a very small % of overall Studebaker production. Packard built, oh--I guess maybe 40-50 thousand cars per year, in 55-56. But, what happened was, they needed to regroup & pool their resources, to better compete. Since Studebaker was the higher-volume manufacturer with a bigger dealer network,, they decided to stop producing the plus-size Packards at the Detroit Facility, and close the Utica, NY. engine shop. The buildings were used for other purposes for many years after, and the very large Detroit facility is presently undergoing both demolition and renovation, after being vacant for some time, now. So, for the 1957 and 1958 model years, Studebaker built cars at its South Bend, Indiana factory(and several other international assembly plants), and "Packards" were simply restyled Studebaker Presidents. They had a sedan and a wagon in 1957, and in 1958, a "Packard" Hawk and a J8 2 dr hardtop and a sedan and a wagon. There were something on the order of 4000 57's, and around 2600 58's. An amazing number still exist. As I said--those cars were restyled Studebakers, with a lot more Chrome. About the only original shared "Packard" parts they used were the 1956 Clipper Tailights, 56 "Packard" deck lid script; 56 PACKARD hood lettering, and the instrument cluster--55-56 Clipper dash gauges. The gas tank sender is a special unit, to be compatible with the Packard gas gauge. I read that they used those particular parts on 57-58's , because there were a large number of leftover stock from 55-56 Detroit Packard production. 56 Clipper -57-58 Packard taillight housings sell for ridiculously high prices on EBay. But, that's about it, as far as shared parts. After, 58, there were no more Packards made, though the "Studebaker-Packard" company name was retained through 1962. Hope that helps you kids. Memorize it, for future reference. Thankk Mee.

[Alan]

So, I take it you have a Packardbaker?