New Jersey passes law regarding rescue animals

[catherine]

I'm curious to know what the opinion is here..On this forum we have dog lovers, Republicans, Democrats, and I'm wondering where the common ground is here.

My great state of New Jersey supposedly has a bill that requires all new pet stores to sell dogs only from rescue or shelter organizations.

https://www.minds.com/blog/view/600070128012369929

I'll be honest.. I'm a huge dog lover (my scruffy ragamuffin "who-knows-what" dog is a rescue dog) and I have very strong Democratic leanings, but this bill seems a little bit over the line in terms of government interference in a free market. I am against puppy mills, but still...

Any opinions here?

[Chicken lady]

Wrong pressure point.

[catherine]

Wrong pressure point.

What do you mean?

[Chicken lady]

I mean that they want to address the puppy mill issue, but they are not applying legislation to puppy mills, they are applying legislation to pet stores.

[catherine]

I mean that they want to address the puppy mill issue, but they are not applying legislation to puppy mills, they are applying legislation to pet stores.

Right. Got it. My guess is the problem of legislating activities that are outside of NJ legislature. For some reason, ALL rescue dogs sold in NJ seem to be from North or South Carolina. NJ can't legislate that. So the State can only pass laws to prevent those NC/SC dogs from being a viable market in NJ.

[bae]

I loath puppy mills. And I think most pet stores have no business selling dogs and cats.

I also have worked in animal rescue, and members of my family still do. The rescue industry isn't spotless either.

I don't think this bill is particularly wise or appropriate.

[iris lilies]

I could write a lot but will not. We are due to pick up two puppy mill females probably tomorrow. But anyway--

I have to be philosophically consistent, and as such I do not support more gubmnt intervention in the commerce of pet production and sales.

How "rescue" organizatins are defined is a whole other topic. Like a puppy mill, you THINK you will recognize it if you see it. But you will not. We had to kick out a senior citizen couple from Bulldog Club of America who had been running a pretty little "rescue " money making operation. They are no longer sanctioned but that does not stop them from grabbing dogs and selling them for profit.

[iris lilies]

Right. Got it. My guess is the problem of legislating activities that are outside of NJ legislature. For some reason, ALL rescue dogs sold in NJ seem to be from North or South Carolina. NJ can't legislate that. So the State can only pass laws to prevent those NC/SC dogs from being a viable market in NJ.

As a resident of the biggest puppy mill state in the natin I guarantee that some of yours come from us.

Years ago I made friends with a woman in New York (near you) who bought her puppy at a pet store, then learned the puppy's mother was due to be euthanized soon since she couldnt producem more puppies. Ths woman put a plea out on one of the bulldog chat lists amd we succumbed. :~) We drove down into puppy mill country and picked up the dog.. i think we might have paid a nominal fee of a couple hundred bucks, cant remember.

ThIs dog was a sweet little dog but was never one of my favorites.

[Teacher Terry]

Pet stores only sell puppymill dogs since no reputable breeder will sell to a pet store. This is a great way to stop the mills from making $. We really should just shut them (the mills) all down nationwide.

[iris lilies]

Pet stores only sell puppymill dogs since no reputable breeder will sell to a pet store. This is a great way to stop the mills from making $. We really should just shut them (the mills) all down nationwide.
How would you define a puppy mill so that you could shit them down?

[razz]

How would you define a puppy mill so that you could shit them down?Was that a deliberate typo?;)

[catherine]

Was that a deliberate typo?;)

I was wondering the same thing!! Talk about a Freudian Slip!

[iris lilies]

I was wondering the same thing!! Talk about a Freudian Slip!
Haha ok you two, I will leave it up here.

[Rogar]

I don't like the concept of puppy mills, and do appreciate an effort to find shelter dogs a home. I also don't approve of many humanitarian aspects of industrial farm animal production. I don't actually see a strong dividing line between the two, but I don't think that outlawing one or the other is necessarily the right solution, but a choice well informed people should make on their own.

[Reyes]

I don't think the government should be involved. Overreaching in my view.

[Teacher Terry]

Simply ban large scale dog breeding. Put a limit on how many you can have and set standards. The Amish had some of the biggest and cruelest mills. The dogs are stacked in crates-the ones on the bottom go blind from the ammonia in the pee from the ones above. They get no vet care or the people do it themselves with no anesthesia. Being involved with PMR has opened my eyes. Some dogs have broken or missing part of their jaws from people pulling their teeth with pliers, etc. They freeze in the winter and swelter in the summer. REad about David YOder the Amish PM breeder and what he did to his dogs when the authorities were ordering him to make some changes to meet minimum standards (he made a homemade gas chamber and killed them all). Amish are great people:|(not!!!!!

[peggy]

One reason Missouri is a huge puppy mill state is because we protect our puppy mills here....Yeah, too bad folks who voted for Right To Farm bill thought it was about someone trying to prevent them from planting cabbage in the back forty. Which, of course, is why the bill has that name and why co-sponsor of the bill, a republican puppy mill owner politician, pushed it forward. How easily people are duped. Name it something 'patriotic' or push some invisible totally-pulled-from-someone's-ass fear and the masses will follow. Then some little old lady sitting in the middle of the city can jump up and say 'Yeah, I got a right to plant a farm!', where do I vote yes!
It's the same with the Right to Work BS, but that's another thread...

If the republicans ever want to sell crack to kids in the schoolyard, they should just name it the 'Sunshine and Butterfly's' amendment.