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gimmethesimplelife
8-22-18, 10:52pm
What does it mean for America, meaning will anything change after this Tuesday and two key individuals in Trump's rise to the Presidency/power getting busted? Does this mean I can finally wear my thrift shop outfit at the planned triumphant Neighborhood Block Party in the zip code you all know I live in? What does this mean for the future of the GOP and for the US economy and overheated stock market? For Human Rights and Human Dignity?

In short, do you believe anything may change now, and if so, what? For me, the jury is out and I don't know that to make of all of this. I can say however that folks I've talked to who live in the Pura/Puro 85006 and work at the airport are of the opinion that it's not much longer now and the Thug of Orange will be kicked to the curb, forced into the social status of washed up wealthy has been. One can only hope........Rob

Gardnr
8-22-18, 11:23pm
Trump is unaware of criminal activity so all is well.:(

Teacher Terry
8-22-18, 11:58pm
Sitting Presidents are not charged so now he is motivated to seek a second term. Your outfit will be sadly dusty before you ever get to wear it I am sad to report :(

Tiam
8-23-18, 2:15am
No. Nothing will change.

Yppej
8-23-18, 6:03am
I don't see why sitting presidents should be above the law. That attitude in other countries is why people there have resorted to assassination. At least here we have the option of impeachment.

razz
8-23-18, 9:13am
What struck me, as an outsider, is that the system of checks and balances is in operation.

catherine
8-23-18, 9:32am
I don't think anything will happen. I just read a quote in the NYT: "Trump's base will cling to him like barnacles to a sinking ship."--he's created a cult of personality.

And to be honest, Bill Clinton's Lewinsky thing barely put a ding in his legacy.

The way this country works, the stock market would have to crash during Trump's administration--then there would be a public uproar. People don't care about the reprehensible behavior or the tawdry character of their leaders. The bar is very, very low, especially when you get what people perceive as a Golden Goose in office. Doesn't matter that Trump may have engaged in criminal activity

Rogar
8-23-18, 10:18am
I don't think much legal action will come of this, but it's a huge feather in the cap of dems and mid-terms. I can see a lot of campaigning on corruption issues as the circle of improprieties grows beyond Gates, Manafort, and Cohen and mere payoffs to silence affairs. The Manafort part of things add to the legitimacy of the Mueller investigation. One news item a saw said polls show an 11% increase in support of the investigation and our Republican senator reaffirmed his support for Mueller yesterday. I suspect more shoes will drop and things will be increasingly more interesting.

CathyA
8-23-18, 10:28am
Strange how sometimes our laws and checks and balances can even protect the worst president ever. :( Seems like some of them shoot us in the foot.
What's really unfortunate is that people don't understand that quite often, the things done by a good president, or a bad president don't show their effects until the next president is elected. Then good things get credited to the previous president, and the bad things get credited to the new president. The next president (HOPEFULLY, not Trump), will have a huge mess to undue............and then it will look like he/she is bad because he/she was left with such a mess to clean up. Sort of like Obama after GW. There's always quite a lag time for good and bad things done.

dmc
8-23-18, 10:41am
So you are hoping for a President Pence.

CathyA
8-23-18, 11:20am
So you are hoping for a President Pence.
No! But I do think it’s slightly better than Trump.

catherine
8-23-18, 11:25am
Sort of like Obama after GW. There's always quite a lag time for good and bad things done.

I've noticed all the press yesterday about how this has been the longest Bull market in history. Of course people will credit Trump, but it actually began in 2009, when Obama took office.

ApatheticNoMore
8-23-18, 11:26am
it might be a good idea strategically, pence is unlikely to get reelected for sure so ...

CathyA
8-23-18, 12:36pm
Do you actually think Trump has a chance at a second term (if he isn't ousted)? Geez I hope not. It's bizarre how he calls his rallies, "campaigning". He needs that adoration. It feeds his constantly-needs-stroking ego. The worse things get for him, the more rallies he will have.

nswef
8-23-18, 1:40pm
He's promised to be gone for 40 days between now and the election- trying to beat Obama's efforts...

gimmethesimplelife
8-23-18, 2:57pm
I was sent home early today as there was not much to do and my hours can not go over 40 until things pick up again. I returned home to my infamous zip code and spoke to a few people as I was walking down my residential street and the buzz seems to be renewed excitement re the Human Right of a Trump Impeachment. Apparently there is a rumor spreading through the 85006 - I can't guarantee this rumor has made it to the Coronado neighborhood, though - that Trump has ACTUALLY PUBLICLY MENTIONED THE WORD IMPEACHMENT SO HE KNOW'S THERE'S SOME RISK AT THIS POINT!!!

From what I understand Trump has said that were he to be impeached the stock market would crash/suffer, and I'm told the words "impeached" and "impeachment" did cross his lips. Amazing times we live in and I'm going to go check my Impeachment Outfit, to see that it's not dirty nor creased. Nothing would please me more than to witness the social justice of a Trump Impeachment and to be part of the planned Neighborhood Block Party......hope springs anew, which is perhaps a blessing and a curse of being human. Rob

Alan
8-23-18, 3:42pm
I was sent home early today as there was not much to do and my hours can not go over 40 until things pick up again. I returned home to my infamous zip code and spoke to a few people as I was walking down my residential street and the buzz seems to be renewed excitement re the Human Right of a Trump Impeachment. Apparently there is a rumor spreading through the 85006 - I can't guarantee this rumor has made it to the Coronado neighborhood, though - that Trump has ACTUALLY PUBLICLY MENTIONED THE WORD IMPEACHMENT SO HE KNOW'S THERE'S SOME RISK AT THIS POINT!!!

From what I understand Trump has said that were he to be impeached the stock market would crash/suffer, and I'm told the words "impeached" and "impeachment" did cross his lips. Amazing times we live in and I'm going to go check my Impeachment Outfit, to see that it's not dirty nor creased. Nothing would please me more than to witness the social justice of a Trump Impeachment and to be part of the planned Neighborhood Block Party......hope springs anew, which is perhaps a blessing and a curse of being human. RobWhat high crime or misdemeanor are you basing this hope on?

I could fantasize about winning the lottery but it will never happen if I don't buy a ticket, which I don't. I guess I'm asking what basis for impeachment are you aware of cause without one, it's not likely to happen.

iris lilies
8-23-18, 3:47pm
What high crime or misdemeanor are you basing this hope on?

I could fantasize about winning the lottery but it will never happen if I don't buy a ticket, which I don't. I guess I'm asking what basis for impeachment are you aware of cause without one, it's not likely to happen.

But that lack of reality basis does not need to stop you from buying a special “winning the lottery” outfit at Goodwill. The thing I see here, Alan, is that you are not sufficiently prepared for a lottery win, and for all you know, that is affecting your lottery winning karma. Maybe re-think that?

bae
8-23-18, 3:48pm
What does “impeachment” mean?

Presidents Johnson and Clinton were both impeached, both remained in office.

Alan
8-23-18, 4:01pm
Maybe re-think that?Well, I am a believer in the power of positive thinking, but I once wrote a small program to generate a random lottery number, used the result to purchase a ticket and thought positive thoughts night and day until the weekly drawing occurred. Would you believe that all that wishing and hoping and confidence in the randomness of my numbers resulted in not one of my numbers coming up? I took that as a sign that the reality of compound interest goes much further than the fantasy of unearned gratification. But they may do things differently in the 85006.

flowerseverywhere
8-23-18, 6:00pm
What does “impeachment” mean?

Presidents Johnson and Clinton were both impeached, both remained in office.

interesting reading is the Clinton case. It involved sexual conduct and lying about it back when the Republican Party was the high moral ground Christian and anti deficit party. All this impeachment talk is wishful thinking. Trump wasn’t kidding when he said he could shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and it wouldn’t matter. The current small government crowd seems to want to limit interference in gun ownership and taxes but woman and gay rights is open hunting season. The narrative that all democratic crates want open borders is ridiculous and a scare tactic. If our congress and senate did their job and addressed the faults with out immigration system we would not be in this mess right now. Why do we still have birthright citizenship? Why can children in this country illegally get free lunch and free education?

i cannot imagine circumstances where he will be put out of office. As long as there is a R majority and most likely even if there is a flip come November. Trump and his flock of felons (everybody does crimes like Manafort and Cohen he said) are at the helm expect mireexaggeration, gaslighting and quietly making changes to give even more power and money to rich white men

Teacher Terry
8-23-18, 7:11pm
Sadly, Flowers is right about Trump and gang. I believe in birth citizenship as well as free lunch and education. This is the next generation and you don’t want a bunch of dummies around.

Alan
8-23-18, 7:16pm
interesting reading is the Clinton case. It involved sexual conduct and lying about it back when the Republican Party was the high moral ground Christian and anti deficit party. It annoys me when Republicans act like Democrats but it's offset by my enjoyment of watching Democrats blame them for acting like Democrats.

Williamsmith
8-23-18, 7:26pm
If nothing negative happens with the economy, if Trump doesn’t get removed from office for some heretofore unknown real crime and if he remains healthy.......Trump will undoubtedly be re-elected. Putin will make sure of that.;)

flowerseverywhere
8-23-18, 10:11pm
It annoys me when Republicans act like Democrats but it's offset by my enjoyment of watching Democrats blame them for acting like Democrats.

you are welcome. I aim to please.

jp1
8-23-18, 10:59pm
Depending on the next several shoes that may drop this whole thing will tell us more about the rest of the republican politicians than anything else. Personally I wouldn't even vote for any of them for dog catcher because they don't seem to be up to the task of providing checks and balances against the executive branch. If we elected sad Paul Ryan dog catcher he'd probably only go after the chihuahuas for fear of pissing off trump's racist base if he went after any true-blue american dogs.

Tiam
8-23-18, 11:09pm
So you are hoping for a President Pence.

I'm not a fan of Pence. But he would be better than that insane, megalomaniac sitting in power at the moment.

iris lilies
8-23-18, 11:19pm
interesting reading is the Clinton case. It involved sexual conduct and lying about it back when the Republican Party was the high moral ground Christian and anti deficit party. All this impeachment talk is wishful thinking. Trump wasn’t kidding when he said he could shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and it wouldn’t matter. The current small government crowd seems to want to limit interference in gun ownership and taxes but woman and gay rights is open hunting season. The narrative that all democratic crates want open borders is ridiculous and a scare tactic. If our congress and senate did their job and addressed the faults with out immigration system we would not be in this mess right now. Why do we still have birthright citizenship? Why can children in this country illegally get free lunch and free education?

i cannot imagine circumstances where he will be put out of office. As long as there is a R majority and most likely even if there is a flip come November. Trump and his flock of felons (everybody does crimes like Manafort and Cohen he said) are at the helm expect mireexaggeration, gaslighting and quietly making changes to give even more power and money to rich white men

Congress cant vote away birthright citizenship. That is in the 14 th Amendment and change is a lengthy process of states voting as well as Congress. I wouldnt blane lack of action on this issue on Congress and I doubt it would pass in the states. But I like the idea, generally, without knowing the nuances of it.

Why do you think children (I assume you mean those here illegally) are receiving public education and free lunches despite laws saying otherwise? Are there actually local laws forbidding noncitizen children from going to school?

I wont bother to address the charge that Republicans are hypocrites for wanting small government but attack rights of women. I think that is silly.

Yppej
8-24-18, 6:06am
We need the children to fund my Social Security benefits someday. I think Trump has more of a legitimate issue with chain migration. Why are people like Melania's parents who are older, won't be working, but will be increasing our health care costs getting in?

Yes, you educate the kids, but then they work for decades. Without immigrants you run into declining population as has happened in parts of Europe where they have had to actively recruit people to come in to avoid the local economy collapsing.

flowerseverywhere
8-24-18, 7:16am
Iris, phyler vs. doe decision allows children to attend schools k-12. Regardless of immigration status. And teach them English. And they are fed if eligible.

I only pointed it out because our schools are not doing that great in educating kids, for a variety of reasons. This is a big obstacle in some school districts. And why some people are very upset about illegal immigrants. Not legal immigrants.

http://www.k12.wa.us/MigrantBilingual/ImmigrantRights.aspx

flowerseverywhere
8-24-18, 7:19am
We need the children to fund my Social Security benefits someday. I think Trump has more of a legitimate issue with chain migration. Why are people like Melania's parents who are older, won't be working, but will be increasing our health care costs getting in?

Yes, you educate the kids, but then they work for decades. Without immigrants you run into declining population as has happened in parts of Europe where they have had to actively recruit people to come in to avoid the local economy collapsing.

if the kids are here illegally how will they fund your social security? When you go get a job, you give a social security number and when you work taxes are taken out, funding social security for one thing. If you don’t have a SS number how can you work and pay taxes?

flowerseverywhere
8-24-18, 7:24am
If nothing negative happens with the economy, if Trump doesn’t get removed from office for some heretofore unknown real crime and if he remains healthy.......Trump will undoubtedly be re-elected. Putin will make sure of that.;)
Perhaps, but I think there are many people who think he is the best president ever and is doing a great job. They love him. Regardless of what he says or does. On the day of the Cohen plea and Manafort verdict people were at his rally screaming “lock her up”. Go figure.

jp1
8-24-18, 11:17am
if the kids are here illegally how will they fund your social security? When you go get a job, you give a social security number and when you work taxes are taken out, funding social security for one thing. If you don’t have a SS number how can you work and pay taxes?

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/

gimmethesimplelife
8-24-18, 12:20pm
What high crime or misdemeanor are you basing this hope on?

I could fantasize about winning the lottery but it will never happen if I don't buy a ticket, which I don't. I guess I'm asking what basis for impeachment are you aware of cause without one, it's not likely to happen.Was not The Thug of Orange implicated in illegal activities by his former associates just this week? And the reason this should not be investigated further with a potential Presidency end for The Orange Thug again was? In my infamous zip code the math here is simple and impeachment seems now more and more likely. Rob

Alan
8-24-18, 12:25pm
Was not The Thug of Orange implicated in illegal activities by his former associates just this week? And the reason this should not be investigated further with a potential Presidency end for The Orange Thug again was? In my infamous zip code the math here is simple and impeachment seems now more and more likely. Rob
What illegal activities are those?

gimmethesimplelife
8-24-18, 12:29pm
What illegal activities are those?His former lawyer, Michael Cohen, implicated The Thug of Orange in misdirecting campaign funds......Cohen did the misdirecting under the direction of The Orange Thug.......like yahoo.com is saying this morning, and like the 85006 is taking hope from, is the the countdown to Impeachment has begun. Couldn't happen to a more Orange Thug nor a more deserving individual........I can't wait until the T Shirts celebrating the joyous day of his Impeachment hit the market. I will use the credit card to insure that I have a long time supply. Rob

PS I just had a scathingly brilliant idea! I'm off today, after I get the housework and errands run/done, I will spend some time trying to come up with a snappy Orange Thug Impeachment song.....maybe with some friends/neighbors to make it more fun. We'll see. The people are about to speak and the Thug of Orange won't have the emotional strength to process and listen to what he is told. Not my problem. I'm all about History Being Made and the Neighborhood Impeachment Block Party and the Moroccan food I will be making as my contribution. I even picked up serving crockery and plates real cheap at this thriftshop on the Westside and I'm happy it's once again looking as if I'll get the chance to use them along with wearing my outfit for this Special Day.

Alan
8-24-18, 12:47pm
His former lawyer, Michael Cohen, implicated The Thug of Orange in misdirecting campaign funds......Cohen did the misdirecting under the direction of The Orange Thug.......like yahoo.com is saying this morning, and like the 85006 is taking hope from, is the the countdown to Impeachment has begun.
I'm under the impression those "campaign funds" were actually Trump's personal funds, and I'm further under the impression that a candidate can spend as much of their personal funds as they'd like without restriction. Am I incorrect?

JaneV2.0
8-24-18, 1:58pm
I'm guessing money laundering, racketeering, conspiracy with Russia to influence the outcome of an election (including voting machine hacking)--probably much more, according to Republican intelligence expert Malcolm Nance, who expects this to be a far-reaching investigation that may take years to resolve. Trump has had mob dealings for decades, which probably informed his modus operandi.

Alan
8-24-18, 3:07pm
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39996566_1149454508570149_8182873684927578112_n.pn g?_nc_cat=1&oh=a96654de9e117d6acd6d9890c0a332a2&oe=5C049F7B

flowerseverywhere
8-24-18, 3:35pm
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/

Thank you, I was wrong. I had no idea this could happen. You would think if the SS and name didn’t match up to a living human they would inform the employer. Silly me. I guess they are happy to take advantage.

My problem with illegal legal immigration is there are 65 million people displaced around the globe, plus many others who would love to come here. It does not seem fair that you can sneak in and cut to the head of the line.

Miss Cellaneous
8-24-18, 5:45pm
I'm under the impression those "campaign funds" were actually Trump's personal funds, and I'm further under the impression that a candidate can spend as much of their personal funds as they'd like without restriction. Am I incorrect?

I think the legal issue with the funds is that a) they might have come from the Trump Organization, not Trump's personal funds, and/or b) the funds were not declared as a campaign contribution.

This is being tried in the court of public opinion right now. We have to wait and see what a real court will do with this.

Yppej
8-24-18, 6:45pm
Thank you, I was wrong. I had no idea this could happen. You would think if the SS and name didn’t match up to a living human they would inform the employer. Silly me. I guess they are happy to take advantage.

My problem with illegal legal immigration is there are 65 million people displaced around the globe, plus many others who would love to come here. It does not seem fair that you can sneak in and cut to the head of the line.

Except that many of the most marginalized people in Central America who sneak in are descendants of Native Americans. Some do not even speak Spanish well, but another language like Nahuatl. So who was on this continent first, and who are the interlopers?

CathyA
8-24-18, 6:47pm
Alan......no matter what things you might think Trump is bringing good changes to, can you tolerate his juvenile behavior? Can you tolerate that he doesn't act professionally and he lies and is totally narcissistic? You seem like a very reasonable, intelligent person, but you seem to defend Trump. It's an enigma to me.

iris lilies
8-24-18, 6:51pm
Oh my, more campaign finance bs. Everyone gets caught up in those laws, all sides and all level or politician. And yes, I do want to honor the laws but I do wonder if the American electorate really cares. My former Alderwoman, a well known and popular Congressional candidate here (so popular I am a groupie, and he is a Democrat!), recently our governor, and now the President have or had campaign finance issues of people who come immediately to mind. Well Hilary did, too, come to think about it. That seems to be the thing that takes everyone down.

Alan
8-24-18, 7:01pm
Alan......no matter what things you might think Trump is bringing good changes to, can you tolerate his juvenile behavior? Can you tolerate that he doesn't act professionally and he lies and is totally narcissistic? You seem like a very reasonable, intelligent person, but you seem to defend Trump. It's an enigma to me.I don't defend Trump, I suggest people apply reason rather than emotion to their political wishes. The enigma is that not everyone can tell the difference.

Alan
8-24-18, 7:25pm
Oh my, more campaign finance bs. Everyone gets caught up in those laws, all sides and all level or politician.Yes they do, President Obama's 2008 campaign was caught accepting several million dollars of unreported monies and paid a fine of several hundred thousand $. I don't remember anyone talking impeachment.

Teacher Terry
8-24-18, 8:26pm
Obama’s did not do it personally and probably didn’t know about it. Trump instructed his lawyer to do it. Very different.

herbgeek
8-24-18, 8:50pm
I think Trump will be in office unless/until a document is uncovered that says "I'll lift these sanctions the last guy put on you and in exchange I want to be able to build the Trump Tower in Moscow I've been wanting to build for the last 20 years". ie an outright quid pro quo. But I don't even think he/his administration would be that dumb to put that stuff in writing.

Alan
8-24-18, 9:10pm
Obama’s did not do it personally and probably didn’t know about it. Trump instructed his lawyer to do it. Very different.Then perhaps you can explain which high crime or misdemeanor will justify impeachment.

gimmethesimplelife
8-24-18, 9:27pm
Something I can say is that there seems to be a lighter and calmer vibe in the neighborhood since the latest Trump fiasco pushed his likelihood of being impeached higher. A few neighbors as I walked down the street today on my way home said Hey, (expletive) The Wall! People are feeling some hope and getting feisty against the system again and it's a relief to see, at least for me it is.

I can't guarantee that Trump will indeed be impeached but indeed there does seem to be hope anew in the 85006. Rob

iris lilies
8-24-18, 10:07pm
Thank you, I was wrong. I had no idea this could happen. You would think if the SS and name didn’t match up to a living human they would inform the employer. Silly me. I guess they are happy to take advantage.

My problem with illegal legal immigration is there are 65 million people displaced around the globe, plus many others who would love to come here. It does not seem fair that you can sneak in and cut to the head of the line.

I was vaguely aware that there was a lot of tax and Social Security money paid into the treasury by illegals, but hadnt seen actual numbers. And like you, cant figure out why, when the IRS notifies the business of a bad SS number, that it continues. But whatever. I actually was happy to see the clear statement in this article that this money goes into the treasury, because I would have thought they might set it aside.

So the facts in The Atlantic article states that (estimated) half of illegal immgrants pay taxes. Other are paid under the table or not paid at all.

Jp, do you consider illegal immigrants here to be a financial net positive for our country all around? I am talking just about financial
Inputs vs. Outputs as in their inputs are taxes and their outputs are welfare programs that require require qualifications. I would guess that the same faked documents that can get them jobs paying taxes can also get them welfare benefits like TANF, SNAP, Section 8, etc.

Williamsmith
8-25-18, 2:47am
I think Trump will be in office unless/until a document is uncovered that says "I'll lift these sanctions the last guy put on you and in exchange I want to be able to build the Trump Tower in Moscow I've been wanting to build for the last 20 years". ie an outright quid pro quo. But I don't even think he/his administration would be that dumb to put that stuff in writing.

I visited Trump Tower this week. Moscow would do very well to have such a handsome structure as this in its skyline. And I’m sure the Police can afford to have SWAT teams armed with AK-47s at every entrance as does NYPD....but with modified ARs.

Congress is at fault for its inactivity regarding immigration reform. This is not something the Executive Branch should be leading on. Perhaps my visit to Lady Liberty has fogged my brain but it still represents the immigrant country we still are despite talk of the Wall and the Mexican problem. Congress is the entity that needs reform.2443

flowerseverywhere
8-25-18, 6:57am
Then perhaps you can explain which high crime or misdemeanor will justify impeachment.

alan, I don’t think any of us know, no matter how hard we try to be informed of what actually is going on and has gone on. It seems to me that Trump lives in a world nothing like the majority of US citizens. I believe almost all of us here do not put money in offshore accounts and do money wires (or however you do) to evade taxes. We don’t pay off people to keep quiet. While we take advantage of tax laws and might even enlist the help of a tax attorney or preparer to pay the proper amount of taxes, we don’t manipulate the system unfairly. We don’t give huge sums of money to politicians so they reward us contracts or zoning favors or jobs in the administration. Most of us are in long term faithful marriages, perhaps with a divorce along the way, but nothing like what we are hearing about in Trump world. It is surreal, hearing about all this bribery, payoff, “fixing”, alleged sexual affairs (on top of multiple marriages), tax evasion and so on.

Now that it it seems like more and more people who are in the know are cooperating for immunity and producing documents and testimony to save themselves from jail sentences. Seeing Cohen go from the long term fixer and personal attorney who was praised as the best and a wonderful person to suddenly being labeled a disgraceful person and terrible attorney when he got caught certainly looked to me like throwing him right under the bus. More people who find themselves in jeopardy will follow if they have to choose between saving themselves and their family, or saving someone who may abandon you at any time if it will make them look better.

Perhaps there is is no grounds now that we know of that will lead to impeachment. But it seems like the organization he has built, with the finest people, is precarious at the very least. The world he lives in may be the reality if you are building an empire, but under the scrutiny of the American public and the system of checks and balances, it does not seem to be working quite as well. Time will tell, but at some point even the most faithful of trump supporters in the house and senate may have to examine how to save their own political careers as well as their reputations if things continue in the direction they are heading. Very tricky and Paul Ryan is probably ecstatic right now he decided to bow out, as well as some of the other retiring republicans.

Yppej
8-25-18, 7:37am
Most of us are in long term faithful marriages

Half of marriages end in divorce. Most people do differ from Trump in that they don't have the money to pay people they had affairs with to be quiet.

Infidelity is common, though due to its stigma statistics are hard to come by, but affects anywhere from 30 to 60% of marriages.

In my book cheating also applies to committed relationships not just marriages. My own marriage was adultery free, but on the post-divorce rebound I was not so fortunate.

I agree with you on all your other points flowerseverywhere.

flowerseverywhere
8-25-18, 8:03am
Half of marriages end in divorce. Most people do differ from Trump in that they don't have the money to pay people they had affairs with to be quiet.

Infidelity is common , though due to its stigma statistics are hard to come by, but affects anywhere from 30 to 60% of marriages.

In my book cheating also applies to committed relationships not just marriages. My own marriage was adultery free, but on the post-divorce rebound I was not so fortunate.

I agree with you on all your other points flowerseverywhere.
Great point. Almost all my friends have been married to the same person for 40-50 years so my frame of reference is skewed. What was scandalous back when we were all married is commonplace and accepted now.

jp1
8-25-18, 8:38am
Then perhaps you can explain which high crime or misdemeanor will justify impeachment.

Personally I'm going to leave it to Mueller to answer that question. As much smoke as there has been I predict the odds are fairly good that he has found, or will find, the fire. If not then I will accept that result too. Unlike our sad, patheetic president I actually have faith in our law enforcement agencies.

JaneV2.0
8-25-18, 10:48am
Given the unprincipled nature of Congressional Republicans, this sordid affair may not come to impeachment, but it certainly should. In my fairly long memory, there has never been such an incompetent and destructive figure in the White House. The system of checks and balances is supposed to work, but the framers of the Constitution apparently didn't foresee the greed and lawlessness that would result from unfettered capitalism.

gimmethesimplelife
8-25-18, 12:59pm
Given the unprincipled nature of Congressional Republicans, this sordid affair may not come to impeachment, but it certainly should. In my fairly long memory, there has never been such an incompetent and destructive figure in the White House. The system of checks and balances is supposed to work, but the framers of the Constitution apparently didn't foresee the greed and lawlessness that would result from unfettered capitalism.This^^^ about + 1 trillion. Capitalism really has become something frightening in it's turbo-charged inhumanity. I fear for the future of this country as with this level of economic inequality, human history shows that people will rise up and bring down a government or kingdom or fiefdom or whatever structure they are living under.....and if many years of human history are any indication, it won't be pretty when this happens. I have no real faith, given the current trajectory of this country, that America will remain intact in another 10 to 15 years. Rob