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frugal-one
10-9-19, 6:43pm
A$$hole trump does not stand by our allies! Every day there is something with a$$hole trump. I am so sick of the drama he causes. He is an embarrassment!!!! Someone recently said if he fell and hit his head and died we would all be better off!!!! Can't say I disagree.
gimmethesimplelife
10-9-19, 11:06pm
A$$hole trump does not stand by our allies! Every day there is something with a$$hole trump. I am so sick of the drama he causes. He is an embarrassment!!!! Someone recently said if he fell and hit his head and died we would all be better off!!!! Can't say I disagree.Nothing Trump says or does surprises me any longer. It's all about restoring national dignity via his.impeachment at this point. Rob
bae
10-10-19, 12:26am
Which Kurds are they attacking? The Good Kurds, the So-So Kurds, or the Naughty Kurds?
Yppej
10-10-19, 2:43am
The innocent civilian Kurds among others.
iris lilies
10-10-19, 9:39am
More carnage in that part of the world, and likely this spate of it directly caused by the U.S. It all seems so sad and hopeless to me. President Erdoogon wants to stop the endless killing in Suria to let refugees back to their homes. I guess that is a pipe dream?
JaneV2.0
10-10-19, 10:20am
I understand Erdogan's bombing mixed civilian neighborhoods of Kurds and Christians. I suppose those Christians didn't help us at Normandy, either. (See recent speech by President Crazypants.) This is so horrifying.
LDAHL
10-10-19, 11:24am
If this is how we treat our allies then we don’t deserve to have any.
Gardnr
10-10-19, 11:36am
I wonder why the news isn't showing Trumps' "I am SOOOOO surprised" look.:|(
JaneV2.0
10-10-19, 11:50am
And he's not concerned about Isis escapees--they'll just go back to Europe, after all.
At this point, he's blown up all our alliances, save his personal ones with various dictators.
Teacher Terry
10-10-19, 1:17pm
Sickening as usual.
bae
10-10-19, 3:39pm
And he's not concerned about Isis escapees--they'll just go back to Europe, after all.
At this point, he's blown up all our alliances, save his personal ones with various dictators.

And ask yourself - who benefits from all of this?

(Did you see the bit the other day where Trump threatened to destroy the economy of a fellow NATO ally?)
JaneV2.0
10-10-19, 4:58pm
And ask yourself - who benefits from all of this?

(Did you see the bit the other day where Trump threatened to destroy the economy of a fellow NATO ally?)

You mean Turkey? Hahaha. Follow the real estate.

I read the article that inspired his Normandy speech https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/10/08/critics-aghast-as-trump-keeps-word-about-no-more-wars-n2554328 and don't entirely disagree with it, but aren't these kind of pullouts normally negotiated with the parties involved? Seems like protecting our Kurdish allies could have been addressed then. You know, the "art of the deal" and all that.
bae
10-10-19, 5:49pm
... but aren't these kind of pullouts normally negotiated with the parties involved? Seems like protecting our Kurdish allies could have been addressed then.

I'm no great fan of the US having troops all over the planet, and spending more on our military budget than pretty much the whole rest of the planet combined. I'd be quite happy reducing our presence, and not getting dragged into regional affairs, or trying to play The Great Game with other world powers.

However, I also think that "once you've broken it, you've bought it". In situations where we've already been involved, we need to detach a bit more mindfully.
iris lilies
10-10-19, 7:13pm
I'm no great fan of the US having troops all over the planet, and spending more on our military budget than pretty much the whole rest of the planet combined. I'd be quite happy reducing our presence, and not getting dragged into regional affairs, or trying to play The Great Game with other world powers.

However, I also think that "once you've broken it, you've bought it". In situations where we've already been involved, we need to detach a bit more mindfully.

I don’t necessarily disagree except I don’t know that we broke it. The Middle East is a shit show. We didn’t create that. I would accept that we have added to the instability. But the long-term hatred among people there for each other? Not my problem.
Gardnr
10-10-19, 7:40pm
However, I also think that "once you've broken it, you've bought it". In situations where we've already been involved, we need to detach a bit more mindfully.

THIS!
JaneV2.0
10-10-19, 7:55pm
And ask yourself - who benefits from all of this?

(Did you see the bit the other day where Trump threatened to destroy the economy of a fellow NATO ally?)

I think Putin is the chief architect and beneficiary of all the chaos he's created. I'm sure he finds it all very amusing--Brexit, Steve Bannon and his Traveling Bund, and Trump's deranged tweeting. I really hope we survive.
bae
10-10-19, 9:04pm
I think Putin is the chief architect and beneficiary of all the chaos he's created.

I think he's succeeded beyond his wildest hopes.
frugal-one
10-10-19, 10:04pm
I think he's succeeded beyond his wildest hopes.

Makes a person wonder what deal trump struck with putin to put a trump tower in Russia?
bae
10-10-19, 10:13pm
Makes a person wonder what deal trump struck with putin to put a trump tower in Russia?

If Putin is using Trump, I suspect it isn't anything as unsubtle as Bond movie-style blackmail or Manchurian Candidate sort of things.

I think he's just playing on Trump's psychology. That's far cooler, actually. Well played.
JaneV2.0
10-11-19, 10:50am
If Putin is using Trump, I suspect it isn't anything as unsubtle as Bond movie-style blackmail or Manchurian Candidate sort of things.

I think he's just playing on Trump's psychology. That's far cooler, actually. Well played.

I can't figure out Lindsey Graham's lightning-fast about face on Trump. Kompromat or the worst case of Acquired Sycophancy Syndrome ever?