View Full Version : So supposing Trump is kicked to the curb....
gimmethesimplelife
10-10-19, 7:07pm
Is this alone enough to heal the vast divisions in this country? Me thinks not. What would help heal America at this point? Rob
Is this alone enough to heal the vast divisions in this country? Me thinks not. What would help heal America at this point? Rob
America isn't broken and Trump has nothing to do with the divisions some of you focus on to the detriment of your mental health. You had all the same complaints and biases during the Obama administration that you do now, so the best we can hope for would be for you to take a hard look inside yourself and then change.
iris lilies
10-10-19, 7:14pm
America isn't broken and Trump has nothing to do with the divisions some of you focus on to the detriment of your mental health. You had all the same complaints and biases during the Obama administration that you do now, so the best we can hope for would be for you to take a hard look inside yourself and then change.
This, and a balanced US budget.
Now who is delusional? Ha ha me.
Trump just increased the deficit by 68 percent, for those who are counting. (Per Newsweek and other outlets.)
"The notion that you can withhold information and documents from Congress no matter whether you are the party in power or not in power is wrong. Respect for the rule of law must mean something, irrespective of the vicissitudes of political cycles." Republican Trey Gowdy 2012, House Oversight Committee.
gimmethesimplelife
10-10-19, 8:36pm
America isn't broken and Trump has nothing to do with the divisions some of you focus on to the detriment of your mental health. You had all the same complaints and biases during the Obama administration that you do now, so the best we can hope for would be for you to take a hard look inside yourself and then change.Alan, your first sentence? I could not disagree more. Rob
Alan, your first sentence? I could not disagree more. Rob
OK, but what about the second?
Is this alone enough to heal the vast divisions in this country? Me thinks not. What would help heal America at this point? Rob
Which specific divisions are you concerned about?
What would "healing" be?
frugal-one
10-10-19, 10:08pm
America isn't broken and Trump has nothing to do with the divisions some of you focus on to the detriment of your mental health. You had all the same complaints and biases during the Obama administration that you do now, so the best we can hope for would be for you to take a hard look inside yourself and then change.
Not true. trump continues to bombast every level of decency. He is a Hitler-wannabe. Obama at least had decorum and decency and was civil to our allies. trump is constant drama.... every day. It will be good to have him gone just to be back to some semblance of civility.
Not true. trump continues to bombast every level of decency. He is a Hitler-wannabe. Obama at least had decorum and decency and was civil to our allies. trump is constant drama.... every day. It will be good to have him gone just to be back to some semblance of civility.You could be civil now if you wanted, you really can't blame that on someone as inconsequential as a bombastic, narcissistic President.
After all the years of republican incivility towards democrats their calls now for civility are, frankly, sad and pathetic. Especially as they pointedly don't call out their party's leader for his perpetual barrage of incivility on Twitter each and every day.
I think we need a common cause that threatens the economic and physical well being of the country or world as a whole. My vote would be global warming.
Is this alone enough to heal the vast divisions in this country? Me thinks not. What would help heal America at this point? Rob
When Trump is gone, they will find another monster to deplore. It's happened before.
Don't expect politics to serve as a form of therapy. If homogeneity is healing, I'll take division.
gimmethesimplelife
10-11-19, 9:45am
OK, but what about the second?Nope, it doesn't work for me, either. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
10-11-19, 9:47am
When Trump is gone, they will find another monster to deplore. It's happened before.
Don't expect politics to serve as a form of therapy. If homogeneity is healing, I'll take division.I take comfort in your use of the word "when" - I just wish we knew how long until. Rob
I take comfort in your use of the word "when" - I just wish we knew how long until. Rob
Somewhere between one and five years, I should think. Don’t expect the whole word to change when it happens.
gimmethesimplelife
10-11-19, 11:03am
Somewhere between one and five years, I should think. Don’t expect the whole word to change when it happens.Well that gives me sufficient time to put together a Hispanic/Middle Eastern/Ethnicities Depised By Both Trump And US CBP for my street. I take solace in that if your timeline is right. I've even restarted a skin care regime for better pics to Austria for any Impeacment Day Photos. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
10-11-19, 11:05am
Well that gives me sufficient time to put together a Hispanic/Middle Eastern/Ethnicities Depised By Both Trump And US CBP for my street. I take solace in that if your timeline is right. I've even restarted a skin care regime for better pics to Austria for any Impeacment Day Photos. RobForgot to add the word buffet after listing the ethnicities above. Rob
Well that gives me sufficient time to put together a Hispanic/Middle Eastern/Ethnicities Depised By Both Trump And US CBP for my street. I believe folks who rank people by their ethnicities have reported that the primary ethnicity among CBP agents is Hispanic. What makes you think they despise themselves?
Well that gives me sufficient time to put together a Hispanic/Middle Eastern/Ethnicities Depised By Both Trump And US CBP for my street. I take solace in that if your timeline is right. I've even restarted a skin care regime for better pics to Austria for any Impeacment Day Photos. Rob
That’s a lot to fit on a sign. Wouldn’t it be easier to call it “Victims Eat Free”?
gimmethesimplelife
10-11-19, 2:46pm
That’s a lot to fit on a sign. Wouldn’t it be easier to call it “Victims Eat Free”?No sign necessary.....all I have to do is tell the cashiers at Food City and mention it around the neighborhood a few times and it will be common knowledge. But addressing your real point.....I disagree. I'd change it to Victor's Eat Free on the Day If A Trump Impeachment. Rob
No sign necessary.....all I have to do is tell the cashiers at Food City and mention it around the neighborhood a few times and it will be common knowledge. But addressing your real point.....I disagree. I'd change it to Victor's Eat Free on the Day If A Trump Impeachment. Rob
Well played!
frugal-one
10-11-19, 5:14pm
When Trump is gone, they will find another monster to deplore. It's happened before.
Don't expect politics to serve as a form of therapy. If homogeneity is healing, I'll take division.
I think trump is the exception, not the rule. And, you are right... he is a monster. I have always been an Independent but because of trump, I will hesitate to vote Republican again.
I think trump is the exception, not the rule. And, you are right... he is a monster. I have always been an Independent but because of trump, I will hesitate to vote Republican again.
I think you’re forgetting the sputtering vituperation directed at GW Bush, or Ronald Reagan, or the Great Satan Nixon. I have no doubt a new worst guy ever will be anointed.
I think you’re forgetting the sputtering vituperation directed at GW Bush, or Ronald Reagan, or the Great Satan Nixon. I have no doubt a new worst guy ever will be anointed.
I sort of liked Bush, Reagan, and even in his own way Nixon.
Trump is distinctly a different critter...
gimmethesimplelife
10-11-19, 7:35pm
I think trump is the exception, not the rule. And, you are right... he is a monster. I have always been an Independent but because of trump, I will hesitate to vote Republican again.Just curious, which Democrat if any do you find election worthy? Rob
gimmethesimplelife
10-11-19, 7:41pm
I sort of liked Bush, Reagan, and even in his own way Nixon.
Trump is distinctly a different critter...As you know I have no real choice morally and ethically but to vote DEM. That said, I see the former Republican Presidents you have listed in a kinder light now. Even Reagan who started the insane income inequality in this country. After this spell of Trump, I can almost forgive Reagan that. And I did see him in a 1939 Bette Davis melodrama titled Dark Victory. He had a bit part and his acting was OK.
Point being, Trump to me is (is there truly a word in the English language to describe him?) so whatever I see other Republicans more humanely now. Rob
I think you’re forgetting the sputtering vituperation directed at GW Bush, or Ronald Reagan, or the Great Satan Nixon. I have no doubt a new worst guy ever will be anointed.
I thought GW was kinda dumb, and Reagan was always posing. Too young to remember much of Nixon- I was listening to the Watergate hearings when I was 12, but didn't really understand much of it. But with all those people, I wasn't really concerned about the future of our democracy. Trump ( and cronies) have undermined many of our esteemed institutions (all of our intelligence agencies, the press, the Fed Reserve). He has thumbed his nose at the rule of law. He has pissed off our allies and sucked up to our enemies. I'm hoping that other countries will just see this as a temporary blip but who knows?
I really never had to check the news regularly, outside of the Gulf War. I assumed there were checks and balances, and that anything extreme would be mitigated. I can't assume that anymore.
I respect Eisenhower, and Nixon had his moments. W should have been the baseball commissioner, which was his dream; he surrounded himself with a bunch of warmongers, and history won't forget that. Reagan was a bad word in my family--the avuncular dope with tax cuts. But you're right herbgeek--I was never afraid I'd wake up in a Russian satellite state or to the second coming of the Third Reich.
gimmethesimplelife
10-11-19, 9:05pm
I respect Eisenhower, and Nixon had his moments. W should have been the baseball commissioner, which was his dream; he surrounded himself with a bunch of warmongers, and history won't forget that. Reagan was a bad word in my family--the avuncular dope with tax cuts. But you're right herbgeek--I was never afraid I'd wake up in a Russian satellite state or to the second coming of the Third Reich.I'm glad I'm not the only one who worries about the last you posted, Jane. Rob
I was never afraid I'd wake up in a Russian satellite state or to the second coming of the Third Reich.
I can remember when the Left accused the Right of paranoia. Now they’re seeing Nazis behind every tree and think Stalin is hiding under their beds.
I can remember when the Left accused the Right of paranoia. Now they’re seeing Nazis behind every tree and think Stalin is hiding under their beds.
Well, I hear they are marching in the streets these days.
Well, I hear they are marching in the streets these days.
Those tiki torch guys? I don’t see them instituting the Fourth Reich anytime soon.
Those tiki torch guys? I don’t see them instituting the Fourth Reich anytime soon.
No, they seem surprisingly inept. It'd hardly be sporting.
frugal-one
10-12-19, 7:34pm
I think you’re forgetting the sputtering vituperation directed at GW Bush, or Ronald Reagan, or the Great Satan Nixon. I have no doubt a new worst guy ever will be anointed.
I don't remember it being this bad ever. trump is the anomaly! No president has acted so unpresidential ever! I know I voted for GW...
frugal-one
10-12-19, 7:37pm
[QUOTE=gimmethesimplelife;335701]Just curious, which Democrat if any do you find election worthy? Rob[/QUOTE
As stated previously, I like Pete Buttigieg, mayor of South Bend. He would represent our country and citizens well IMO.
frugal-one
10-12-19, 7:39pm
I can remember when the Left accused the Right of paranoia. Now they’re seeing Nazis behind every tree and think Stalin is hiding under their beds.
It is hard not to.... with trump buddying up to Putin and "rocket man". trump speaks and acts like he wants to be a dictator.
It is hard not to.... with trump buddying up to Putin and "rocket man". trump speaks and acts like he wants to be a dictator.
When he's not speaking and acting like he wants to be Thug in Chief. Uncouth doesn't touch what he is.
Surely, we've reached bottom.
I think you’re forgetting the sputtering vituperation directed at GW Bush, or Ronald Reagan, or the Great Satan Nixon. I have no doubt a new worst guy ever will be anointed.
Maybe when it is all said and done history will tell a story, but I don't think we have had a modern president that has been worse for the environment. His deregulation of oil and gas, elimination of area protections, denial of global warming, and reductions of protective agency work forces are unprecedented. Even Nixon is considered by some an environmentalist with his creation of the EPA. Bush gave climate change a little lip service, although Reagan, the father of modern deregulation might vie for second place worse.
Of course now we have cheap gas and people love that.
catherine
10-13-19, 10:30am
Maybe when it is all said and done history will tell a story, but I don't think we have had a modern president that has been worse for the environment. His deregulation of oil and gas, elimination of area protections, denial of global warming, and reductions of protective agency work forces are unprecedented. Even Nixon is considered by some an environmentalist with his creation of the EPA. Bush gave climate change a little lip service, although Reagan, the father of modern deregulation might vie for second place worse.
Of course now we have cheap gas and people love that.
I agree. Forget about all the partisan mud-slinging both parties can engage in in every election cycle, there's the hard facts of the Trump administration's complete disregard for the environment, which impacts every one of us when the air and water become nothing more than something available for industry to pollute. Even if I thought he was a dignified, thoughtful, intelligent, strong leader with the best interest of the country driving his policies, if they acted like Trump has toward the environment, I would not back them. Like IL's single issue being small federal government and reduced debt, this is my single issue.
JaneV2.0
10-13-19, 11:12am
Trump is opposed to everything I care about, so choosing one defining interest to vote against would be difficult, but I'd say the overwhelming stench of naked greed and corruption would loom large. The environment, human rights, voting rights, the Supreme Court, the encouragement of white nationalism, snubbing our allies and embracing tyrants, fiscal irresponsibility, gutted government bureaus, would all play a part. As well as some I've probably neglected to mention.
I certainly wouldn't want anyone to accuse me of "identity politics" or being a one-issue voter...:moon:
early morning
10-13-19, 11:38am
I can remember when the Left accused the Right of paranoia. Now they’re seeing Nazis behind every tree and think Stalin is hiding under their beds.
Well, I can't speak for Stalin; from the little Russian history I have read, his rise to power does not mirror that of Trump. But Germany is another story, and I believe we are right to be apprehensive, at the very least, of the potential for a governmental take over. I worked with a woman, gone now, who fled Germany as a child, with her parents. They were not Jewish, or Roma, or any of the groups targeted. She told me many times how her father, a doctor, was very concerned about Hitler's rise, the brown-shirts, the crackdowns on Jews and minorities, and how he would speak to his patients, and find so many of them wanted Hitler to "make Germany great again". They were willing to overlook the subjugation of the government, the political bent of the courts- almost anything to get the "typical" (ie; white, Germanic) Germans back on top. It terrified her father that so many people, his friends, whom he thought of as good people, were willing to overlook the ever-rising specter of dictatorship - welcome it even. They dismissed his concerns, his paranoia - Oh, that won't happen, he was elected, you know!! And you know what? He was right. You aren't paranoid if it's true.
ApatheticNoMore
10-13-19, 12:09pm
Even Nixon is considered by some an environmentalist with his creation of the EPA. Bush gave climate change a little lip service, although Reagan, the father of modern deregulation might vie for second place worse.
Reagan was not good in general there at all, but even he supported California in setting it's own air standards. You see what we mean about Trump being unprecedented. And yes horror of horror some of us will rail against bad policies no matter who does them (whether it's Trump or W or Obama), but it doesn't mean Trump isn't a new low. Because he is.
Of course now we have cheap gas and people love that.
about $4.05-$4.50 a gallon here, it's cost more in non-inflation adjusted dollars, cheaper than it should be.
Even if I thought he was a dignified, thoughtful, intelligent, strong leader with the best interest of the country driving his policies, if they acted like Trump has toward the environment, I would not back them. Like IL's single issue being small federal government and reduced debt, this is my single issue.
yes. I don't even think Trump is wrong on everything in theory, like globalization has indeed been a disaster, for the environment (globalization also makes it hard to regulate pollution, it just gets pushed elsewhere) as well as for jobs in the U.S.. He's just wrong on many things in both theory and practice, and pretty close to wrong on everything in practice. It's all done badly, when it's done at all (whatever happened to infrastructure spending anyway). People would say it's because Trump doesn't give a @#$# one way or other, that might be, I'm not sure, he's pretty narcissistic, but he might also be monomaniacal on a few, very few, issues, those issues fall far short of full reality (I mean when you are writing off clear air and water, in addition to many of the citizenry ..). And even those issues are done badly by the Trump administration.
JaneV2.0
10-13-19, 12:16pm
Along with globalization, presented to us as inevitable--which perhaps it is, given the ruling class--is the privatization (and monetization) of nearly everything, which degrades all it touches.
Teacher Terry
10-13-19, 1:51pm
I totally agree Jane.
I agree. Forget about all the partisan mud-slinging both parties can engage in in every election cycle, there's the hard facts of the Trump administration's complete disregard for the environment, which impacts every one of us when the air and water become nothing more than something available for industry to pollute. Even if I thought he was a dignified, thoughtful, intelligent, strong leader with the best interest of the country driving his policies, if they acted like Trump has toward the environment, I would not back them. Like IL's single issue being small federal government and reduced debt, this is my single issue.
The environment is my overriding issue as well. It's not just clean air and water for us, but connected issues around how we stand as custodians of the planet and the other issues around our forests, grasslands, and their wildlife. There was the recent report that on mainstream news that talked about the decline of bird populations and the loss of maybe a third of North American bird numbers over the last several years. Some, like myself and a lot of scientists think we are on the verge, if not the middle of a sixth extinction event.
Part of the issue is how to manage exponential population growth and how third world countries want all that we have here in America. Some of this is out of the control of politics, but we have been been global leaders in technology and somehow the stability of world concerns. We can be leaders on environmental issues, too. There is a legacy us boomers will leave for the next generations that exceeds some of the day-to-day politics. Probably the national debt falls into that category as well.
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