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I see Hillary Clinton is intimating that Tulsi Gabbard is an asset of the Russians (as was Jill Stein) who may run as a third party candidate to sabotage the Democrats’ chances in 2020.
Why some cable news network hasn’t snapped her up to provide this kind of trenchant political analysis is a mystery to me. Or possibly the result of a vast conspiracy of some sort.
ApatheticNoMore
10-19-19, 4:08am
And meanwhile Tulsi thinks Clinton controls the media (discussing bias would be one thing and fair enough, but saying it is because Clinton controls the media, just slides into completely unhinged). They are both sounding out of their gourds, Tulsi was mostly reacting so I can cut her a bit more slack as it may have been pure reactivity, but nonetheless, she is making no sense. Backing away from both of them (granted not that I was their voting base before).
Jill Stein will probably not be the Green party candidate, not that there is anything much wrong with her, but Greens have better candidates I think (that will go nowhere in the general, well yes of course).
This is a good example of the saying Women are their own worst enemies.
catherine
10-19-19, 9:58am
Well, at least she's leaving Bernie alone this time. But she probably had something to do with his heart attack. :)
I think if Fearless Leader really wanted to influence our elections he may pump several hundred million dollars into Boris and Natasha's personal lifestyle foundation while they still had political influence.
Oh, he did?
Sucker........
It's like the Democrats *want* to throw the election.
Though, looking at the intelligence reports on Russian interference in our elections, this is just the sort of thing they'd do - sow disinformation and conspiracy theories, and get someone vaguely influential to buy into one of them and repeat the agitprop.
Clinton - "useful idiot"
frugal-one
10-19-19, 2:11pm
Who cares what Clinton says. She is gone!
Who cares what Clinton says. She is gone!
Well, just 3 years ago she received the majority of the popular vote for President, she's directly participated in multiple presidential campaign runs, and she was Secretary of State and presumably knows a thing or two about the Russians,
Who cares what Clinton says. She is gone!
I thought that back in 2008. But she lingers on like an old email you thought was deleted.
iris lilies
10-19-19, 3:03pm
This is a good example of the saying Women are their own worst enemies.
But why can’t this just be two politicians dissing each other? Why does it matter that they’re women?
I do wonder why Hillary is considered relevant now, but it was just a few years ago that she came very close to winning And at the time Bill was still the crown prince of the Democratic Party. So I wouldn’t count her out but certainly she is less powerful.
Tulsi went after Harris in one debate and Warren in another.
iris lilies
10-20-19, 11:10am
Tulsi went after Harris in one debate and Warren in another.
But jep, they were all on stage to go after each other.
Do you sincerely think this was women going after women?
ToomuchStuff
10-20-19, 11:31am
Title sounds like a band name.
Foolishness knows no gender.
I’m guessing that Gabbard will reap fundraising benefits from this nonsense. In that sense, Hillary will have helped her far more than any hostile foreign power.
JaneV2.0
10-20-19, 12:52pm
It's like the Democrats *want* to throw the election.
Though, looking at the intelligence reports on Russian interference in our elections, this is just the sort of thing they'd do - sow disinformation and conspiracy theories, and get someone vaguely influential to buy into one of them and repeat the agitprop. ...
Clinton did her best to warn us. We will ignore, mock, facilitate Russian interference at our peril. Read any of Malcolm Nance's excellent books. Putin's entire focus is to destabilize the West. He must be very proud of his work.
If the West can be destabilized by Facebook posts, then it doesn’t deserve to survive.
Clinton did her best to warn us. We will ignore, mock, facilitate Russian interference at our peril. Read any of Malcolm Nance's excellent books. Putin's entire focus is to destabilize the West. He must be very proud of his work.
I had dinner the other week with "the world's most overrated general", and other members of The Deep State, and cocktail conversation was vaguely along the lines of how foolish we all have been, and how easily we've fallen for all this nonsense.
all this nonsense
Can you elaborate?
(and way cool the people you have dinner with)
Can you elaborate?
It has always been the case that disinformation was used to shape public opinion.
However, over the past decades, it has become possible to generate, target, and distribute disinformation at a rate and with an effectiveness unprecedented in human history. Some folks have recognized this, and are getting quite good at manipulating the voting public and our elected representatives.
If you've seen what is possible now to do with fake audio/video, and looked at the graphs of how interconnected people are, and how fast information spreads through networks of connections, well....
Critical thinking - it's the only thing that can save us :-) Alas, it's not something we are evolved to do well.
(and way cool the people you have dinner with)
I have low friends in high places.
frugal-one
10-20-19, 2:10pm
If the West can be destabilized by Facebook posts, then it doesn’t deserve to survive.
trump is the one destabilizing us. Just look at his pullout recently and who ran "to the rescue".
trump is the one destabilizing us. Just look at his pullout recently and who ran "to the rescue".
No, Trump is just a Useful Idiot. The people manipulating him are the ones responsible.
Title sounds like a band name.
:laff:
catherine
10-21-19, 9:46am
It has always been the case that disinformation was used to shape public opinion.
However, over the past decades, it has become possible to generate, target, and distribute disinformation at a rate and with an effectiveness unprecedented in human history. Some folks have recognized this, and are getting quite good at manipulating the voting public and our elected representatives.
If you've seen what is possible now to do with fake audio/video, and looked at the graphs of how interconnected people are, and how fast information spreads through networks of connections, well....
Critical thinking - it's the only thing that can save us :-) Alas, it's not something we are evolved to do well.
The Twitterization of the culture. How to influence people in 140 characters or less. How use inaccurate and misspelled memes to cement confirmation bias.
The people, literate and illiterate, used to vote based on what they heard at long stump speeches in the town. Maybe they spent little time analyzing it, but at least they had the benefit of the stories. We make decisions on the headlines. I can't tell you how many memes I reply to with a link to Snopes or some other fact-check site. It's putting a pinky finger in the dike, but it is truly scary how much social media contributes to perception and misperception.
And the really scary thing is today's mass media is no better.
I think you may be giving our forebears too much credit. They operated just as much on gossip, manufactured outrage and misinformation as we do today, often throwing their votes to whoever provided the most booze. Blaming social media for the nonsense that often gets passed around is a bit like blaming the pimp for fornication. Although I will concede it’s a little easier now for the people who run the platforms to steer you toward their preferred nonsense.
catherine
10-21-19, 12:13pm
Although I will concede it’s a little easier now for the people who run the platforms to steer you toward their preferred nonsense.
That's the point.
That's the point.
But it’s not enough of a point to shift any responsibility from the electorate to the dark sinister forces du jour. i agree with Bae that it’s our collective laziness and gullibility that’s the real culprit here. And always has been. There was never a golden age when the mass of sturdy yeomen listened to things like the Lincoln Douglas debates and made sober, well-informed decisions.
I find it a bit chilling when politicians and pundits push to remove bias and misinformation through regulation of social media. I don’t see enough justification for a Ministry of Truth.
frugal-one
10-21-19, 5:04pm
No, Trump is just a Useful Idiot. The people manipulating him are the ones responsible.
That probably is a more apt description.... he is a puppet.
No, Trump is just a Useful Idiot. The people manipulating him are the ones responsible.
IMO, Trump is well past the useful idiot stage and deep into being a Russian asset, working hard on Putin's behalf--eliminating sanctions from the Magnitsky act, having covert meetings with the Russian leader, lobbying Europe to reinstate Russia to the G&, pulling out of Syria...Russia may have kompromat on Trump, but I think it's more likely a deal based on finances.
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