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gimmethesimplelife
3-11-20, 8:34am
I ask this as I begin packing for two days in Algodones. Mexico only has 7 cases - how ironic that I as an American represent more danger to them virus-wise than vice-versa. I'm hoping I don't regret this trip. Rob
I am wondering the same thing--due to go to a different state via air in two weeks and wish I had not bought the ticket, would rather drive. Son will not be understanding if I say I am not flying, I think. I am over 60 with respiratory disease and have already been on a ventilator once in my life and no wish to go back there ever again.
iris lilies
3-11-20, 9:28am
Depends entirely on the circumstance. And what you mean by “travel.” What you mean by “you” as well.
I would do a car trip right now now for something that was fairly important or necessary.I would not get on a plane.
If I was 30, 40, 50 years old I would probably be waltzing around ignoring this stuff like I usually ignoreD health related stuff back then. Not so much now.
I just cancelled my cruise trip up the BC coast to Alaska based on the travel advisory issued by Public Health Canada so covered by my travel insurance. Staying home and enjoying local activities.
The CDC has advised people over 60 not to fly (which is not widely known--due, I think to our government's covert handling of this soon-to-be--pandemic). I wouldn't let anyone's opinion override my caution in this matter.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/healt...ing/index.html
"The CDC guidance comes as two top infectious disease experts with ties to the federal government have advised people over 60 and those with underlying health problems to strongly consider avoiding activities that involve large crowds. Dr. William Schaffner, a Vanderbilt University professor and longtime adviser to the CDC, said these two groups should consider avoiding activities such as traveling by airplane, going to movie theaters, attending family events, shopping at crowded malls, and going to religious services."
iris lilies
3-11-20, 9:41am
The CDC has advised people over 60 not to fly (which is not widely known--due, I think to our government's covert handling of this soon-to-be--pandemic). I wouldn't let anyone's opinion override my caution in this matter.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/healt...ing/index.html
"The CDC guidance comes as two top infectious disease experts with ties to the federal government have advised people over 60 and those with underlying health problems to strongly consider avoiding activities that involve large crowds. Dr. William Schaffner, a Vanderbilt University professor and longtime adviser to the CDC, said these two groups should consider avoiding activities such as traveling by airplane, going to movie theaters, attending family events, shopping at crowded malls, and going to religious services."
Its not widely known because mainstream media outlets like CNN are blasting it? Hunh? I have been hearing the “over 60 beware” news for weeks now. And I don’t even watch tv news.
The CDC has advised people over 60 not to fly (which is not widely known--due, I think to our government's covert handling of this soon-to-be--pandemic). I wouldn't let anyone's opinion override my caution in this matter.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/healt...ing/index.html
"The CDC guidance comes as two top infectious disease experts with ties to the federal government have advised people over 60 and those with underlying health problems to strongly consider avoiding activities that involve large crowds. Dr. William Schaffner, a Vanderbilt University professor and longtime adviser to the CDC, said these two groups should consider avoiding activities such as traveling by airplane, going to movie theaters, attending family events, shopping at crowded malls, and going to religious services."
I heard this too, Jane, and then it completely disappeared from the news. I agree, they are downplaying.
We’re visiting our son in April and are driving 12 hours instead of flying. We are 58 and 60; I have asthma and he has diabetes. No reason to risk a flight right now.
On June we want to visit our daughter in Toronto. Have hotel reservations and plan to be there during PRIDE weekend. But we’re not buying airline tickets yet. it depends on how things look in May. That’s an international flight to a huge festival. Our daughter understands we might cancel.
sweetana3
3-11-20, 10:42am
More to think about than just the airplane: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/11/814331110/3-tsa-screeners-in-san-jose-calif-have-contracted-coronavirus-agency-says
Read to the end to see how the government responded.
I have a Southwest flight scheduled in three weeks and will wait another two weeks to decide to move the date to June. I am in the old age zone and whatever "avoid long airplane flights" means, I guess it is prudent to not fly. I also wanted to do an Amtrak trip coming up and will wait on that.
catherine
3-11-20, 10:52am
Still waiting to decide if I should tell my UK-based client that the CDC recommends that I avoid the 3 airports I'll have to fly through to get to a rural area in TN for one patient interview. I'm going to offer to drive instead, 28 hours round trip at a relatively robust hourly charge + hotel and gas.
He'll probably opt for the video interview.
Yes I will. I have 3 trips in the next 120 days. Be cautious, take wipes and clean your plane space.
I heard this too, Jane, and then it completely disappeared from the news. I agree, they are downplaying.
Well remember, last week KellyAnn announced that it was contained. Our President is magical:confused:
Well remember, last week KellyAnn announced that it was contained. Our President is magical:confused:
Wow, look at this story. And from Fox, of all places:
https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/white-house-overrules-cdc-push-for-seniors-to-avoid-flights-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/
Teacher Terry
3-11-20, 11:35am
I will not fly. I am 65 with asthma and HBP and my husband has diabetes. Not sure if I would drive but your son should be understanding. My oldest son is really worried and if he calls and I am out he asks why I am not home.
Wow, look at this story. And from Fox, of all places:
https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/white-house-overrules-cdc-push-for-seniors-to-avoid-flights-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/
Well that was 2 days after the CDC said it so here we go with more fake news. I pity the sould who gets all their news from Fox. :(
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/health/coronavirus-older-people-social-distancing/index.html
Well that was 2 days after the CDC said it so here we go with more fake news. I pity the sould who gets all their news from Fox. :(
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/health/coronavirus-older-people-social-distancing/index.html
Gardnr, I am not promoting anyone "get all their news from Fox."
But I and others distinctly remember the CDC telling people over 60 not to fly; now, apparently, the website is revised and does not mention this.
That is a story, regardless of one's opinion of Fox news. I thought that was the story that Fox was talking about.
What exactly is the CDC recommending now?
Well that was 2 days after the CDC said it so here we go with more fake news. I pity the sould who gets all their news from Fox. :(
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/health/coronavirus-older-people-social-distancing/index.html
That was what I was referring to. The public deserves the truth, whatever that might be with this outbreak.
Gardnr, I am not promoting anyone "get all their news from Fox."
But I and others distinctly remember the CDC telling people over 60 not to fly; now, apparently, the website is revised and does not mention this.
That is a story, regardless of one's opinion of Fox news. I thought that was the story that Fox was talking about.
What exactly is the CDC recommending now?
Here is the latest, updated yesterday, information from the CDC. I was not saying that YOU promoted Fox as a single source. My comment was a generalization as I sadly know a whole lot of people look at nothing else.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/high-risk-complications.html
Here is the latest, updated yesterday, information from the CDC. I was not saying that YOU promoted Fox as a single source. My comment was a generalization as I sadly know a whole lot of people look at nothing else.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/high-risk-complications.html
That's a good, comprehensive directive.
But then there's Mike Pence saying he's going to keep shaking hands because "that's what we do."
How irresponsible is this?
Vice President Pence on Tuesday said the Trump campaign will determine on a day-to-day basis whether to continue holding campaign rallies and said he and President Trump would continue shaking hands even as public health officials warn of the risks of both amid the coronavirus outbreak. If he's expecting divine intercession here, I hope it works. Maybe he's just toeing the company line though, because he was more circumspect earlier: "Pence opted to greet Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D) with an elbow bump upon arriving there last week to discuss the state's coronavirus response." (The Hill)
Here is the latest, updated yesterday, information from the CDC. I was not saying that YOU promoted Fox as a single source. My comment was a generalization as I sadly know a whole lot of people look at nothing else.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/specific-groups/high-risk-complications.html
Thanks for posting this--here is what it says today:
"Avoid cruise travel (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/page/covid-19-cruise-ship) and non-essential air travel."
Thank you.
Via plane? Nope but I don’t fly hardly anyway. Last time was 2015.
Via car? Heck, yes. I’m all over the Midwest for diving.
Teacher Terry
3-11-20, 2:21pm
So my best friend comes every week for dinner and spends the night. She is retired but does a lot of interpreting. She was supposed to come tomorrow but wanted to put it off until Friday because another interpreter she worked with is in the hospital with flu but not sure if she has the virus. I told her we aren’t getting together for weeks. Thankfully she hasn’t seen me since she has been around this person.
Mexico only has 7 cases - how ironic that I as an American represent more danger to them virus-wise than vice-versa.
Why do you think you are a danger to them? Do you have any symptoms? (You are an individual, statistics concern populations...)
I wouldn't travel anyways for something that wasn't critical.
gimmethesimplelife
3-11-20, 2:50pm
Am at Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport. It's like a borderline ghost town here. Passenger volume at an unscientific quick glance looks to be 1/4 to 1/3 of normal - and this is supposed to be high season here. No wonder my hours were cut!!! After this no travel for me until there's a better handle on this situation. Rob
And you are only looking at published test results. If you dont test, you dont report. Heck, even if you test and have no good way to gather data like the US, then the data is compromised and cannot be relied upon.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/exclusive-white-house-told-federal-health-agency-to-classify-coronavirus-deliberations-sources/ar-BB11337q?ocid=ob-fb-enus-280&fbclid=IwAR0QLmu5Imb_YaWF1-6DhPskMxDH-OdezOuI43kIwHgL2h7kKtUI7mq1rCM
We are getting constant complaints from doctors that they have requested test kits or testing and been refused.
frugal-one
3-11-20, 4:59pm
Why do you think you are a danger to them? Do you have any symptoms? (You are an individual, statistics concern populations...)
I wouldn't travel anyways for something that wasn't critical.
I am an avid traveler and am now nervous. We are NOW in the Rio Grande Valley of TX and will start driving home Saturday. I would not travel even by car if I had a choice. Just picked up tea tree oil and lavender essential oils to ward off hotel germs and bedbugs. Plan on driving longer days just to get home ASAP. This is classified as a pandemic. Can’t understand those that would risk their health. Vacations can be postponed for when there is less risk.
I did just buy a ticket for a concert in Seattle in October though.
ApatheticNoMore
3-11-20, 5:26pm
I took the no fly pledge :) But I'm not doing other travel either really.
Yes, if I didn't already have time off planned later in the year. Gas is cheap and attractions will not be crowded.
rosarugosa
3-11-20, 7:45pm
I was talking to someone today who is considering a Disney World trip since airfares are so cheap.
That's a good, comprehensive directive.
But then there's Mike Pence saying he's going to keep shaking hands because "that's what we do."
How irresponsible is this?
Vice President Pence on Tuesday said the Trump campaign will determine on a day-to-day basis whether to continue holding campaign rallies and said he and President Trump would continue shaking hands even as public health officials warn of the risks of both amid the coronavirus outbreak. If he's expecting divine intercession here, I hope it works. Maybe he's just toeing the company line though, because he was more circumspect earlier: "Pence opted to greet Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D) with an elbow bump upon arriving there last week to discuss the state's coronavirus response." (The Hill)
Stupid is as stupid does. The White House is completely disregarding the CDC as they apparently have more knowledge and expertise in health matters>:(
frugal-one
3-11-20, 10:49pm
I am an avid traveler and am now nervous. We are NOW in the Rio Grande Valley of TX and will start driving home Saturday. I would not travel even by car if I had a choice. Just picked up tea tree oil and lavender essential oils to ward off hotel germs and bedbugs. Plan on driving longer days just to get home ASAP. This is classified as a pandemic. Can’t understand those that would risk their health. Vacations can be postponed for when there is less risk.
The over 55 park I am staying at just put a note on doors and closed the clubhouse stating they are following CDC directions and limiting social interactions due to the corona virus. Glad I am going home in a few days.
iris lilies
3-12-20, 9:57am
We cancelled our neighborhood’s annual house tour. This has never happened in 50 years. The summer house tour is the chief fund raising mechanism for our neighborhood. We were having the usual trouble of recruiting houses to be on the tour and then coronavirus struck. What, you mean you don’t want 1500 strangers coughing and sneezing in your home? Haha.
I'm not especially worried about catching the virus, I'd be more concerned about getting stuck somewhere and then having a lockdown surprise me. Nothing like extending your "vacation" for weeks in a place you don't call home.
iris lilies
3-12-20, 5:45pm
I was talking to someone today who is considering a Disney World trip since airfares are so cheap.
Now he/she isnt. Disney is closing.
Disneyland is closing; Disney World still open.
But realistically, they will and should close too.
Disneyland is closing; Disney World still open.
But realistically, they will and should close too.
And now at 8 pm they announced closing Disney World, too.
I cannot even imagine the cost of these closings and the impact on the workers. So sad.
I cannot even imagine the cost of these closings and the impact on the workers. So sad.
You are right; it's the largest employer in Florida.
ToomuchStuff
3-13-20, 1:48am
All the sports cancellations. One boss was supposed to be leaving town to the NCAA wrestling finals, nope. KC mayor declared a state of emergency, and to the best of my knowledge, no one in the metro area, is sick, YET. (one possible one on the way as someones spouse said they thought they had it and in stead of staying where they were, they are traveling home, possibly infecting every gas station along the way)
She went home.
A friend and former coworker, said his work, told everyone in the company, nationwide, to telecommute for the foreseeable future (approx, 39,000 and the company is set up for 17K to telecommute).
Asked a bank president I know, if people were worried about cash, due to how filthy the money is, or if they were having a run. One customer was pulling out $100K in cash to have on hand. My jaw hit the floor, and then my boss and I questioned each other, if this was so they could buy up stuff, when people were looking for cash to buy whatever, and then sell it later, for more money.
So Gimmethesimplelife, my question back (as someone who doesn't travel) is, how is this affecting your business?
Teacher Terry
3-13-20, 12:23pm
My husband is on the board of our Irish group and I suggested he bring up canceling events because the group tends to be older. They canceled the parade for Saturday and even the brew bike event which only holds 10 people. They are taking a wait and see attitude with the large Celtic event but I am sure that won’t be held. That’s their yearly fundraiser so not sure how the group will do without the money. The casinos are still busy on the weekends per my DIL.
iris lilies
3-13-20, 12:25pm
My husband is on the board of our Irish group and I suggested he bring up canceling events because the group tends to be older. They canceled the parade for Saturday and even the brew bike event which only holds 10 people. They are taking a wait and see attitude with the large Celtic event but I am sure that won’t be held. That’s their yearly fundraiser so not sure how the group will do without the money. The casinos are still busy on the weekends per my DIL.
They have canceled the two Saint Patrick day parades here, the big one and the small one.
Both CHI St P’s parades have been cancelled, the one downtown and the south side one. The downtown one includes dyeing the river green. That’s cancelled, too.
The NYC St. Pat's parade is also cancelled (Cuomo says "postponed" but we'll see if anyone is really interested in doing it in the summer or fall. I think he's trying to let everyone down easy.)
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