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iris lilies
3-16-20, 11:41am
It is funny to me that years ago we were asked to create this “prepper “forum and it has been little used. And now that we are two months into a national emergency, the coronavirus, it still hasn’t been used for virus talk until today.
Anyway...
Because I am retired, my social obligations are drying up, and I have time — I think about how to manage the coronavirus on products I bring it to my house.
like today for instance. I need another batch of eggs. I’ll go into the store tomorrow morning and get them. But when I bring them in how much cleaning can I do on actual eggs without breaking them? Very little. But then I thought well at least I could clean the box they come in. But why don’t keep the existing egg package I have, which is Styrofoam, and was purchased before the coronavirus hit our region, and use it to store the current batch of eggs. I can move each one of them into the previous container, throwing the new one away, then wash my hands.
I already have a kind of a two-step process bringing groceries put them on the counter. Wash my hands thoroughly. Then start unpacking groceries takeoff plastic coverings of vegetables, put them in the refrigerator. Then wash my hands.
It is funny to me that years ago we were asked to create this “prepper “forum and it has been little used. And now that we are two months into a national emergency, the coronavirus, it still hasn’t been used for virus talk until today.
Anyway...
Because I am retired, my social obligations are drying up, and I have time — I think about how to manage the coronavirus on products I bring it to my house.
like today for instance. I need another batch of eggs. I’ll go into the store tomorrow morning and get them. But when I bring them in how much cleaning can I do on actual eggs without breaking them? Very little. But then I thought well at least I could clean the box they come in. But why don’t keep the existing egg package I have, which is Styrofoam, and was purchased before the coronavirus hit our region, and use it to store the current batch of eggs. I can move each one of them into the previous container, throwing the new one away, then wash my hands.
I already have a kind of a two-step process bringing groceries put them on the counter. Wash my hands thoroughly. Then start unpacking groceries takeoff plastic coverings of vegetables, put them in the refrigerator. Then wash my hands.
That sounds like a good idea, and I honestly had not thought about that, cleaning the things I brought into the home. I particularly like using the old egg carton, will do that.
Interesting question that I've thought about. I won't need to go to any store for at least a week or two, but here's what I did last time around. After unpacking and storing everything I washed my hands and put the reusable grocery bags in the laundry. I'm going with the theory that the virus can't survive more than a few days on hard surfaces and by the time I handle things again there won't be any risk or it will be much lower. I think the big one is self-isolation and then there are small things a person can do beyond that, but eliminating every conceivable risk is impractical. What about mail?
iris lilies
3-16-20, 12:11pm
Oh yeah, I have been washing a load every day. Our overcoats. My backpack (although now I won’t even take it outside of the house, no reason to do that.)
I should throw my tennis shoes into the wash regularly, but I doubt that DH will let me wash his shoes so I am going to require he keep shoes outside.
Yes I thought about mail. The best we can do is get rid of it as quickly out of our hands as we can, put it into directly into the sack that goes to garbage or recycling or whatever, so that we only handle it once.. And then we wash our hands.
I figured out how to freeze eggs yesterday, thought it would be good to have some for baking. I put them in an ice cube tray, and some were just whites. You can use a muffin tin and get the whole thing in there. Then freeze overnight, then pop them out and put in a freezer bag to use individually.
iris lilies
3-16-20, 1:04pm
Freezing eggs is an interesting option. I love eggs, they are good for low cal eating and all kinds of foods.
I generally leave groceries, packages and mail in our very cold mudroom for a bit before bringing in. If I have to start washing eggs, I will just give them up for a while. A big thing for me is no outside shoes in the house. It started when we had new wood floors put in, but now it has become a habit. The idea of what is on retail floors, parking lots etc coming into the house is gross to me.
happystuff
3-17-20, 8:03am
I figured out how to freeze eggs yesterday, thought it would be good to have some for baking. I put them in an ice cube tray, and some were just whites. You can use a muffin tin and get the whole thing in there. Then freeze overnight, then pop them out and put in a freezer bag to use individually.
Interesting. How are then when thawed? The same as before freezing?
The only additional precaution we've done to date is to keep shoes on the enclosed porch instead of on a tray in the kitchen. We never wore shoes in the house anyways. I do think its time to wash my reusable grocery bags though. I've always been a fanatic about washing my hands when I come in from the outside world.
Interesting. How are then when thawed? The same as before freezing?
Supposedly fine for baking and scrambling; have not tried them yet.
rosarugosa
3-17-20, 10:03am
I certainly considered the fact that my groceries were touched by stockers, cashier, bagger, etc. and my mail has been touched by the mail carrier, etc. I made the conscious decision to take reasonable precautions and then hope for the best. I guess we all decide for ourselves what constitutes reasonable, but for me, washing my eggs is over the line.
My DH and Dsis work at hospitals, so I've had to make my peace with some level of risk.
As my sister would say, if we die of the corona virus we don't have to worry about getting Alzheimer's. Silver lining! :)
The only additional precaution we've done to date is to keep shoes on the enclosed porch instead of on a tray in the kitchen. We never wore shoes in the house anyways. I do think its time to wash my reusable grocery bags though. I've always been a fanatic about washing my hands when I come in from the outside world.
I've long washed up like a surgeon after coming in from being out in the world. Now, I let packages sit for a few days before opening them and handle bills as little as possible. So far, so good.
catherine
3-17-20, 11:27am
Haven't done anything yet. I'm expecting a package from Amazon tomorrow. I don't think I'll wait a few days before opening it--it's a universal remote for our TV, which we lost in the move, so that is Very Important. God forbid we have to get off our a$$es to change the volume or the inputs.
I do plan on staying on the Island as much as possible. I'll pay somewhat higher prices for our local "supermarket" and maybe venture out to Costco once a month. '
I've told DH that we really have to hunker down on spending. Thankfully, my job is fairly recession-proof, and I can do it from home. I am so lucky. But I still want to get into a depression/recession mindset because it can't hurt and can only help.
iris lilies
3-17-20, 2:18pm
Oh I’m not going to wash my eggs I was just spinning an idea.
Really when I get a next batch of eggs I will keep them refrigerated for many days. Probably that is pretty good for reducing how a virus lives on the surface, even though it is a porous surface.
I certainly considered the fact that my groceries were touched by stockers, cashier, bagger, etc. and my mail has been touched by the mail carrier, etc. I made the conscious decision to take reasonable precautions and then hope for the best. I guess we all decide for ourselves what constitutes reasonable, but for me, washing my eggs is over the line.
My DH and Dsis work at hospitals, so I've had to make my peace with some level of risk.
As my sister would say, if we die of the corona virus we don't have to worry about getting Alzheimer's. Silver lining! :)
This made me laugh! So true. I'm going to use this as my motivational quote. :D
After several days of not shopping I'm realizing that there's an important difference between this situation and stocking up for other types of disaster. I was going heavily for things that would likely keep for weeks like soup and pasta, but not stocking too many things that need refrigeration. But that mentality is more appropriate for prepping for a hurricane or earthquake when power loss is likely.
In this situation, though, we're not going to lose power. The water's not going to get cut off. The freezer will keep working. So my next trip to the supermarket will involve a lot more frozen veggies and fruits (and a large tub of ice cream--to hell with the diet!).
I'll need to go out again in a few days. I plan to have a clear list and go early when the store is less likely to be crowded, and I'm going to be in and out as fast as my little legs will carry me.
I really like grocery pickup; I plan to continue with it for most of my grocery shopping even after the current threat is over. You register a payment method, schedule a pickup, drive to a designated spot near the door, call to alert employees that you're on the premises, and they bring your groceries to the car. No human contact necessary. Perfect for pandemics, germophobes, and introverts. :)
ApatheticNoMore
3-17-20, 3:59pm
The things that keep for weeks though often have a lot of calories per package (like rice and oats and pasta and beans - more if dried than canned). Frozen veggies and fruits have almost no calories. Frozen meats have calories. Although it's almost besides the point as you can get almost none of that at this point, because everyone has grabbed it.
I shopped Thursday and got half and half, ground beef, onions--pretty much everything on my list, with no problem. And that's here at Ground Zero. I already laid in 20 pounds of basmati, coffee, and other essentials from Amazon.
There was no rice, milk, or bread at the two stores we went to yesterday. Glad that is not a problem for everyone.
iris lilies
3-17-20, 4:31pm
The things that keep for weeks though often have a lot of calories per package (like rice and oats and pasta and beans - more if dried than canned). Frozen veggies and fruits have almost no calories. Frozen meats have calories. Although it's almost besides the point as you can get almost none of that at this point, because everyone has grabbed it.
yes I have thought that about the high calorie/low nutrition foodstuffs that keep a long time.But that is ok for a few weeks, a small sacrifice to make.
It’s too bad that I was assiduously using up our freezers supply of frozen vegetables from my garden. I was doing this since last fall because we were going to be moving at all to Herman and I want to get rid of it.
So I have halted the pace of that use, and I still have many bags of frozen veggies left.
I gained three pounds last week. Not being able to go most places and being home amongst those high calorie foods is not good.
So, I'm thrilled that we are literally on an island with no one in sight. But it occurred to me that from time to time my son comes to visit, which he is more prone to do now that he is furloughed from his job in Burlington.
What are the rules for that? Should I ask him to self-quarantine 5 days before visiting us? 3 days? 7 days? For instance, yesterday he went to a "party" with his restaurant staffers. There were probably 10 or so people there. The owners wanted to give away their stockpile of food. Now I'm wondering if we should consider not letting him come up for a while? DH does have underlying medical conditions, is 67 and a smoker.
How cautious do I have to be with regards to visits from my immediate family?
I hear you, catherine. What is the recommendation?
My son would like me to watch his kids over the next 30 days, since the schools are closed. Are they "spreaders"? I'm high risk, and I am also the primary interface for my 95 year old mom....
How cautious do I have to be with regards to visits from my immediate family?
Just because you are family and you love each other doesn't mean COVID-19 can't take hold.
I think it's an individual decision. I am trying not to visit my mom and brother -- as son/brother or landlord -- because they both probably have almost every risk factor established. Catching coronavirus would almost certainly kill both of them. I can call them now and see them in the future. DW's mom is in quarantine at her assisted living facility; DW plans to "visit" her by standing outside her window to say 'hi'. Our grandkids would like to come over to play at our house; we'd love to see them but certainly toddlers are no exemplars of hygiene and so their visit presents a risk to us as DW and I have additional risk factors.
We're likely talking many weeks of quarantine. I'd be very surprised to see social distancing lifted by the end of this month and only somewhat surprised to see it lifted by the end of April. So how long do you want to live without seeing loved ones? And who else will you encounter in the coming weeks -- cashiers, tradespeople, medical staff, etc. -- who presents a possible risk, too? You can't ask them how long they've been without symptoms (even not having symptoms doesn't mean a person haven't been exposed or isn't a carrier). And even if they volunteered that they were symptom-free for five days, that doesn't tell you if they were exposed after four.
I'm tempted to fall back to excellent advice I got years ago: "If you can't handle the answer, don't ask the question." If someone you care about visited in person and carried COVID-19 (or flu or some other illness) to you and someone got sick (or worse) and if you could not handle the consequences or forgive that, then that person cannot visit. Tough call.
Gosh, I had not thought about this scenario. Personally, I would let him come and stay but I can see your concern, especially with someone in the house with frail health, and for those who are caring for elderly parents.
I would be happy (and rather relieved) personally if one of mine wanted to come visit, but I can totally see why that might be selfish with someone with pre-existing health issues in the home. So I would take the risk for myself but would not know what to do about taking the risk for someone else, if that makes sense.
Catherine, what does your husband want to do?
Lmerullo, that is really tough with the 95 year old mom, if you are caring for her. Mine 90-something parents are in lockdown at the nursing home at present, and I could not visit them if I could even get out there to where they lived.
When you consider that soon, if you contract the virus, you won't be able to count on any help, it's an easy call.
Consider what's happening in northern Italy.
Maybe if your son was tested and judged virus-free, and then he masked and gloved up, and washed his hands repeatedly and stayed six feet away from both of you...It doesn't sound do-able to me.
But aren't you theoreticlaly going out in the world and still getting groceries, etc., and thus would be around other people who go to parties, etc.? Why would your son need to be masked if they are not?
But I guess if you are worried about it, that is a sign you should not do it?
Teacher Terry
3-18-20, 11:03am
We are still seeing our kids even though she works in a casino.
catherine
3-18-20, 11:24am
We are still seeing our kids even though she works in a casino.
Yeah, but what's your risk level?
I feel that in our situation, especially with DH's health concerns, we have a perfect opportunity to sequester ourselves from the world. My son will bring "the world" to us coming from Burlington.. of course 90% he doesn't have a virus from the remaining people milling around Burlington, but I feel like it does increase the risk of DH getting it, however unlikely. DH and I have discussed it and we are comfortable going to our local "supermarket" (it's three short aisles and a deli department) and I'm comfortable calling in an order to Sherwin Williams for curbside pick-up of interior paint (with our 30% off coupon) so we can at least get our house painted (on our to-do list anyway).
But if we have this great opportunity for social distancing, I don't want to blow it. Truthfully, I am quite certain we WILL pick up DS in Burlington as long as he is willing to stay up here for a week or two. I told DH I'm not running back and forth off the island every other day.
Teacher Terry
3-18-20, 11:38am
We both are at a high risk due to age and I have HBP and asthma. My husband has diabetes.
Don't have non-essential visitors, and if you do, don't come into close contact with them.
A social visit isn't essential. I know everyone wants to see close family and friends, and that everyone thinks they are "low risk", and won't catch or spread this virus which sheds before symptoms show, but just don't. Don't.
It's that simple.
But aren't you theoreticlaly going out in the world and still getting groceries, etc., and thus would be around other people who go to parties, etc.? Why would your son need to be masked if they are not?
But I guess if you are worried about it, that is a sign you should not do it?
If you are older or otherwise at risk, it would be wise to either pick up groceries at the store or have them delivered.
ApatheticNoMore
3-18-20, 11:44am
If you live with a partner kick them out and make them get their own place, they could have germs. Also don't see them.
If you live with a partner kick them out and make them get their own place, they could have germs. Also don't see them.
No, that's not the recommendation....
iris lilies
3-18-20, 11:48am
I hear you, catherine. What is the recommendation?
My son would like me to watch his kids over the next 30 days, since the schools are closed. Are they "spreaders"? I'm high risk, and I am also the primary interface for my 95 year old mom....
There’s no way I’d have the little germ factories known as children in my house day-to-day just nope absolutely not nope.
sweetana3
3-18-20, 12:00pm
They spread it pretty much the same as anyone else but they have less idea of why the need for social isolation and not touching, hugging, coughing into the air. I would not expose myself unless you are the only one you are responsible for. Who else can take care of your 95 year old mother if you are diagnosed?
iris lilies
3-18-20, 12:26pm
Imerullo’s Situation is one I thought about already. There are still people, plenty of people, who are called into work and and they need childcare. Traditional back ups, like grandmas, are often in the high-risk for virus category.
On the Next-door forum there are some people who are offering to do all kinds of things for neighbors who need it during the coronavirus. Childcare would be one of those important things that makes a big difference to a family. But that’s just not something I’m going to do, and I think with my comment about “germ factories known as children “ you wouldn’t especially want me watching your children anyway.
Teacher Terry
3-18-20, 12:36pm
Grandparents can be in a real bind with grandchildren needing care and them being in a high risk group. Luckily I don’t have any.
We’re watching our 4&6 year old grandkids now. I’m not sure we will survive, and it has nothing to do with the virus.
Grandparents can be in a real bind with grandchildren needing care and them being in a high risk group. Luckily I don’t have any.
I know. I feel guilty. My VT DS/DIL have GS2 and GD1. What a handful. I asked if they need help and they said they are doing OK--they both have jobs where they can be flexible. I have to tell myself that I survived as a parent raising an 8/7/3/2 y.o. kids + doing family day care for 2-4 other kids every day virtually by myself as DH was working 6am-8pm. But I'd still like to help if I can.
iris lilies
3-18-20, 1:11pm
The animal shelters are starting to put out a call for urgent foster homes.
I can guarantee you this virus means a “ dump our dog” extended event.
My own household is barred from taking in more than one dog because the foster dog we have is dog aggressive. He will not tolerate another dog on the premises. So this is where I have to tell myself the starfish story: you work with the one in front of you. You cannot worry about the others.
My friend who moved to New Hampshire, is carefully looking for a rescue dog, But they were a few of them in that part of the country. She has a complicating factor, one of her dogs is dog aggressive.
Here in the epicenter of dog breeding land, between the puppy mills and ghetto pitbull factories, we always have a surplus of adoptable rescue dogs.
If you live with a partner kick them out and make them get their own place, they could have germs. Also don't see them.
What is everyone's prediction?
More babies in 9 months because people are stuck at home without a lot to do?
Fewer babies in 9 months as people avoid physical contact and/or think of a baby being born during next winter's likely seasonal resurgence of viruses when hospitals are housing corona patients?
iris lilies
3-18-20, 6:12pm
What is everyone's prediction?
More babies in 9 months because people are stuck at home without a lot to do?
Fewer babies in 9 months as people avoid physical contact and/or think of a baby being born during next winter's likely seasonal resurgence of viruses when hospitals are housing corona patients?
Both more babies and more divorces due to extreme closeness of people you’re supposed to know and love
I have been developing a relationship with a wonderful person who lives two islands over for the past 3 months.
Now we are debating the ethics of our usual "spend the weekend with each other" scheme. Not quite sure how to proceed.
It’s hard to decide. My next decision is whether to see the grandkids in 2 weeks.
But that decision might be made for me, as curfews and shelter in place situations seem to be growing.
That is what we have been finding, that the decisions have been taken out of our hands.
So we concentrate on looking to a brighter future.
DW and I had that discussion last night.
DD works at a big accounting firm and DSiL works at a national bank. Management of both companies seem to be keeping the pedal to the metal in the face of this pandemic. DD's/DSiL's daycare (part of a church) closed this week.
Big Bank arranged with a local chain of day cares for coverage but DSiL called and there are no openings near their part of town. That's not much help. Because Big Bank never outfitted some of DSiL's colleagues to work from home, none of them get to work from home. Considering that the retail climate is almost dead now, it's somewhat baffling to require them to come in to work and twiddle their thumbs, but, hey, big business, amirite?
Big Accounting is letting employees work from home (unusual during "regular" work hours) but not letting up on deadines or quotas (fwiw DD is not a tax accountant). DD says the company is concerned about showing a little humanity for its employees and not having their peer companies join them.
DW and I were asked if we would do some childcare. Both of us are (not much) over 60 but have additional risk factors. Both of us have elderly relatives we care for (albeit indirectly). DD and one of the grandkids has had a cough for the last month or so (presumably not COVID-19 but no one's been tested). We declined. If this were an emergency ("Our daycare closed and we need coverage until next week" or "DSiL has COVID-19; we need some help"), we'd swallow the risk and be there, of course. But the cough is concerning and we're both kind of wiped after chasing two toddlers all day -- just the conditions we don't need to fight off exposure to COVID-19.
Big Accounting and Big Bank could not see this coming? Cannot let the rules and deadlines slip a little, particularly for parents and for the short term? Everything I've seen and heard is that this is not going to be a trivial week or two of isolation before life returns to what we knew. What would DD/DSiL do if the nearest grandparents were hundreds of miles away? I'm aware there are many grandparents parenting kids, but adding to those ranks right now, well, ...
We'll try to figure out stuff we can do with the grandkids that don't require physical presence (maybe like that new Netflix "group watching" feature) to give mom and dad at least a couple of uninterrupted hours to do what they have to do. But, boy, talk about Hobson's choices....
We talked it over yesterday, too, after talking to my son, who is facing some complex issues and problems right now.
Any family member including grandchildren is more than welcome to come stay with us, that is our bottom line, we both agreed. (We both have age and respiratory disease as complicating factors.)
But that's easier to say when no one is going to come because it's so far.
Still, it was helpful to figure out what our position was. And that was what we came up with.
And of course, if someone was very sick, we would go if we could get there.
catherine
3-19-20, 11:33am
That is what we have been finding, that the decisions have been taken out of our hands.
Yes, that is the value of the Government taking it off our shoulders (sorry, small gov't folks). It helps people out of awkward social situations, family situations, etc. It creates boundaries, ensures safety across the board, and squelches the efforts of the selfish to make it all about them. It tempers the angst. "Hey, I'd love to come over for a party, but we are prohibited from doing that. Gee, I would if I could."
I hate making decisions.
iris lilies
3-19-20, 11:38am
Yes, that is the value of the Government taking it off our shoulders (sorry, small gov't folks). It helps people out of awkward social situations, family situations, etc. It creates boundaries, ensures safety across the board, and squelches the efforts of the selfish to make it all about them. It tempers the angst. "Hey, I'd love to come over for a party, but we are prohibited from doing that. Gee, I would if I could."
I hate making decisions.
I’m glad the Orange One is here for you.
catherine
3-19-20, 11:44am
I’m glad the Orange One is here for you.
I'm impressed that he's sobered up a bit, frankly.
I was actually not talking about government, just the fact that with lockdowns all over the place, you can't travel distances safely anymore, at least I can't.
Although I guess since I'm basing that on CDC recommendations, that is government, right?
iris lilies
3-19-20, 12:38pm
I was actually not talking about government, just the fact that with lockdowns all over the place, you can't travel distances safely anymore, at least I can't.
Although I guess since I'm basing that on CDC recommendations, that is government, right?
I think the federal government has a role in producing data about this virus. I don’t know how much of a role it should have, probably less than what you all want for it. But states have limited funding and this is a good thing to pool money on, hence the importance of the CDC.
Teacher Terry
3-19-20, 1:08pm
Talked to my son in Vietnam last night and he teaches English there. The schools have been closed for months and he is running out of money. So either he has to come home or be sent 450/month to survive. His dad’s wife won’t let any of the kids live there. So he may need to live with us and no way to quarantine him because the hotels are closed. So sorry we sold the RV. Ugh!
iris lilies
3-19-20, 1:16pm
Talked to my son in Vietnam last night and he teaches English there. The schools have been closed for months and he is running out of money. So either he has to come home or be sent 450/month to survive. His dad’s wife won’t let any of the kids live there. So he may need to live with us and no way to quarantine him because the hotels are closed. So sorry we sold the RV. Ugh!
Oh that is tough!
I agree, RV would’ve come in very handy.
I wonder if. Heap Air b N B rooms will become even cheaper? The cheap ones share a room with other people so that’s probably not good. But in the long run $450 a month to hole up In Vietnam is a whole lot cheaper than it would be to hole up here in the US.
Teacher Terry
3-19-20, 1:19pm
His dad would have to be willing to split it with us for it too work. He can afford it. But the other issue if he gets stuck there he has asthma and could be in big trouble. If we all have to live together in my small house we are going to kill each other in no time at all:((
iris lilies
3-19-20, 5:06pm
I have been developing a relationship with a wonderful person who lives two islands over for the past 3 months.
Now we are debating the ethics of our usual "spend the weekend with each other" scheme. Not quite sure how to proceed.
How do you get to the other island? Do you have personal conveyance?
dado potato
3-19-20, 5:18pm
If you live with a partner kick them out and make them get their own place, they could have germs. Also don't see them.
I saw an article written in the UK, predicting an increase in divorces as a result of being stuck at home during a public health lockdown. I believe relationship instability would be a sad and unfortunate outcome.
In Durango CO David McAlvany produces a weekly financial podcast, which I can agree with only in part. I liked something McAlvany said recently: this is an opportunity "to make deposits in the love bank".
How do you get to the other island? Do you have personal conveyance?
Right now, there is ferry service available still. Private boat or airplane are options of course.
My daughter in Cambridge had been planning on moving out to her boyfriend's parents' place in Hertfordshire this weekend.
She just found out late last night that Cambridge, in addition to mostly-shutting down, is kicking students, including grad students, out of their housing entirely - they are to pack up the contents and leave. By tomorrow.
Weird, since for grad students, their apartment *is* their house, most have no place to go, especially the foreign students.
iris lilies
3-19-20, 6:42pm
Right now, there is ferry service available still. Private boat or airplane are options of course.
I would think then the answer is No since you have to take public transportation for this purely social, unessential event. event.
Teacher Terry
3-19-20, 6:42pm
So in the more bad news department a friend said the US might shut all the borders so told my son to buy a ticket and get home. He can't because he was in the process of renewing his Vietnamese Visa so they physically have his passport and he won't get it back until the 25th or 26th. Then my middle son who is homeless and has a drug problem called and he is sick. Almost cocktail hour:))
iris lilies
3-19-20, 6:43pm
So in the more bad news department a friend said the US might shut all the borders so told my son to buy a ticket and get home. He can't because he was in the process of renewing his Vietnamese Visa so they physically have his passport and he won't get it back until the 25th or 26th. Then my middle son who is homeless and has a drug problem called and he is sick. Almost cocktail hour:))
Have two stiff ones in a row.
I would think then the answer is No since you have to take public transportation for this purely social, unessential event. event.
My experience with the ferry system here is that you can easily distance yourself from others--by staying in your car, for example, on car ferries. It might be more difficult in passenger-only ferries.
rosarugosa
3-19-20, 7:19pm
Oh no, Terry. How stressful for you guys. :(
Oh Terry, I am so sorry. I hope your son in Vietnam can get his passport back quickly.
It is so hard to be at a distance from your loved ones and not know how to help.
iris lilies
3-19-20, 7:32pm
My experience with the ferry system here is that you can easily distance yourself from others--by staying in your car, for example, on car ferries. It might be more difficult in passenger-only ferries.
Oh, I was thinking of a passenger ferry. Well yes car ferries – we have those here too for the Missouri and Mississippi river. So yeah a car ferry would be OK. As for meeting up each weekend, depends on how rigorous the other person is at avoiding unnecessary interaction.
I would think then the answer is No since you have to take public transportation for this purely social, unessential event. event.
It is possible to take the ferry without every leaving your vehicle or making contact with another human. Yay?
Reading Steve’s story about big bank and big accounting and amazed at how different it is with my experience with medium insurance, which has been incredibly supportive and proactive. I’m curious what other ‘big bank’ and ‘big accounting’s are doing. If the others are handling this better they may find a flurry of resumes being sent to them once this crisis has passed, from people pissed off at the less accommodating big bank and big accounting.
happystuff
3-19-20, 8:26pm
Terry, I hope things get worked out quickly and easily!
Teacher Terry
3-19-20, 9:05pm
Thanks everyone. I am breaking out with eczema in many places, my BP is up and my asthma flared up. I just need to chill out and accept that I cannot control this.
TT he may be safer there than here. John Oliver did a show on corona and mentioned Vietnam has done well at controlling its spread.
Teacher Terry
3-19-20, 9:52pm
Thanks Y.
Just got a link to directions to make a facemask, from a hospital, if anyone is interested. I might try to make one.
https://www.deaconess.com/How-to-make-a-Face-Mask
Just got a link to directions to make a facemask, from a hospital, if anyone is interested. I might try to make one.
https://www.deaconess.com/How-to-make-a-Face-Mask
Thanks for this.
philokalia
3-21-20, 5:58pm
I've read many articles asking people not to make their own masks for some good reasons. #1 A cloth/fabric mask doesn't offer much protection. The only materials offering anything near surgical mask protection is vacuum cleaner bag material or a double layer of tea towel, however, neither of those are very breathable, meaning, you're ending up breathing your own stale breath and struggle to breath at all. #2 Wearing a cloth mask increases the warm moist environment around the mouth and nose which would give any infected droplets that land there a perfect environment to reproduce. #3 "They" say there is no evidence that wearing a homemade mask can reduce your likelihood of becoming infected, but this seems suspect in light of the warnings that infected people should wear them if there's nothing else available in order to stop infection spread. So I wonder why it works one way and not the other? They do say they worry that people wearing cotton masks may simply touch their faces more believing they are protected or adjust the masks more with potentially infected hands and that's some of the argument against it.
In the end, health professionals are saying that if you want a 50% better chance of not getting it, make the mask out of t shirt/jersey fabric or pillowcase which has much better breathability factor than the vacuum bag or double tea towel. It has a 50% rate of permeability for the viruses the same size as coronavirus. But if you are changing them often, washing them in hot water, and don't touch your face more to adjust them or because you think you're safer, then it's better than nothing if you feel at risk out in the world or at home with a sick loved one.
I always check the science before relying on blogs where concerns medical care. Craft blogs are awesome but they don't necessarily do their research first. This is one of the articles citing studies: https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/
I've read many articles asking people not to make their own masks for some good reasons. #1 A cloth/fabric mask doesn't offer much protection. The only materials offering anything near surgical mask protection is vacuum cleaner bag material or a double layer of tea towel, however, neither of those are very breathable, meaning, you're ending up breathing your own stale breath and struggle to breath at all. #2 Wearing a cloth mask increases the warm moist environment around the mouth and nose which would give any infected droplets that land there a perfect environment to reproduce. #3 "They" say there is no evidence that wearing a homemade mask can reduce your likelihood of becoming infected, but this seems suspect in light of the warnings that infected people should wear them if there's nothing else available in order to stop infection spread. So I wonder why it works one way and not the other? They do say they worry that people wearing cotton masks may simply touch their faces more believing they are protected or adjust the masks more with potentially infected hands and that's some of the argument against it.
In the end, health professionals are saying that if you want a 50% better chance of not getting it, make the mask out of t shirt/jersey fabric or pillowcase which has much better breathability factor than the vacuum bag or double tea towel. It has a 50% rate of permeability for the viruses the same size as coronavirus. But if you are changing them often, washing them in hot water, and don't touch your face more to adjust them or because you think you're safer, then it's better than nothing if you feel at risk out in the world or at home with a sick loved one.
I always check the science before relying on blogs where concerns medical care. Craft blogs are awesome but they don't necessarily do their research first. This is one of the articles citing studies: https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/
You may be absolutely right, but Deaconess Hospital in Evansville, Indiana was the source, and they requested people make masks--if you go to the link, you will see why I posted it.
The rationale from my understanding:
The sick person is masked and the well person is not - in most cases
1. The mask catches coughs and sneezes of the sick person before It goes into the air as droplets where it could land on other people’s faces and mucus membranes
2. If the sick person sneezes without a mask and the healthy person has a mask, the healthy persons eyes are still exposed where there are mucus membranes
There are exceptions - like when a hospital worker is close to a sick person as they give care. Then both are masked and healthcare worker also wears eye protection and other items.
Apparently, vacuum filter paper is pretty effective.
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/
You may be absolutely right, but Deaconess Hospital in Evansville, Indiana was the source, and they requested people make masks--if you go to the link, you will see why I posted it.
Providence group out of Renton, WA also. https://www.providence.org/lp/100m-masks
iris lilies
3-22-20, 1:09pm
I think a mask is useful for the wearer to remind us to not touch our face eyes and etc. while we are out and about, and the moment we get home wash our hands. It is an annoying physical object on our face serving as reminder, so for this purpose any time of face covering would be fine whether permeable or not.
From the little reading I've done on the subject, I believe face masks with an effective filter layer can be made that can compete with commercial ones, which--to my eye--are often loose around the edges. Some body adhesive could remedy that.
Our agencies and yes even our hospitals are begging for masks. The production lines have started all around town. Think churches who still hold food pantries, domestic violence shelters, police stations, local veterans shelters, children shelters, sheltered housing..... All of these are places mentioned needing masks.
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