Bullet vs Shrapnel

[LDAHL]

I’m not sure why there should be a kerfuffle over whether Trump had his ear cropped by a bullet or a piece of shrapnel. It seemed to make a big difference in some quarters, but I don’t see why it should matter that much one way or the other.

[bae]

Right?

[iris lilies]

I know nothing of this controversy. I’m sure there are hundreds of threads going on all over the internet to dissect what happened on July 13.
someone wanted Trump dead. Actually, a whole segment of our population wanted him dead. It isn’t crazy to be looking at details of the event.

[Rogar]

I wonder how long the Warren Report is, and it's still being discussed.

[jp1]

It’s just another chapter of ‘Trump doesn’t provide transparency… to anything. His health. His taxes. His plans if he wins election. Nothing’. If Biden or Harris had been straffed by a bullet or shard of glass the media would be breathlessly insisting on them providing details and wailing and gnashing their teeth if those details were not forthcoming. Trump, on the other hand, skates because the media is tired of trying and failing to hold him accountable for anything and has decided that it’s easier to shirk their responsibility to the public. I mean geez, the guy recently literally promised that if he wins one more election his supporters won’t need to vote ever again. And it barely caused a ripple in the news.

[iris lilies]

It’s just another chapter of ‘Trump doesn’t provide transparency… to anything. His health. His taxes. His plans if he wins election. Nothing’. If Biden or Harris had been straffed by a bullet or shard of glass the media would be breathlessly insisting on them providing details and wailing and gnashing their teeth if those details were not forthcoming. Trump, on the other hand, skates because the media is tired of trying and failing to hold him accountable for anything and has decided that it’s easier to shirk their responsibility to the public. I mean geez, the guy recently literally promised that if he wins one more election his supporters won’t need to vote ever again. And it barely caused a ripple in the news.

wait, you are saying this bullet vs shrapnel controversy is somehow the fault of Trump?

well you are nothing if not consistent.

[jp1]

Well, if he would release his medical records like every other president or candidate has in the last 50-60 years then yes, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. I mean for ****’s sake I still remember the ever-present reports of the damn polyps in Reagan’s colon that we all heard about after every damn colonoscopy. Or that hyperventilation that Obama, gasp, occasionally smoked cigarettes. That a presidential candidate can get away with anywhere near the level of nondisclosure that trumps does is unprecedented.

[iris lilies]

Well, if he would release his medical records like every other president or candidate has in the last 50-60 years then yes, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. I mean for ****’s sake I still remember the ever-present reports of the damn polyps in Reagan’s colon that we all heard about after every damn colonoscopy. Or that hyperventilation that Obama, gasp, occasionally smoked cigarettes. That a presidential candidate can get away with anywhere near the level of nondisclosure that trumps does is unprecedented.
congratulations congratulations on joining frugal-one blowing up a non-issue into something that you both think is an issue. she thinks he wasn’t really shot. You think he was ❓ maybe shot?

[jp1]

I have no idea if he was shot. But he’s a president risk candidate so I would like to know. Because it kind of matters. Otherwise let’s stop asking questions about the health of presidential candidates. Or current presidents. Why are we so obsessed with biden’s health if none of this matters?we should all just shrug our shoulders and say ‘we’ll, there’s a vice president…’

[jp1]

Presidential. Not president risk.

[frugal-one]

congratulations congratulations on joining frugal-one blowing up a non-issue into something that you both think is an issue. she thinks he wasn’t really shot. You think he was ❓ maybe shot?

I did not say that. My comment was there was no blood on his hand coming down when he swatted his head. It looked weird.

[iris lilies]

I did not say that. My comment was there was no blood on his hand coming down when he swatted his head. It looked weird.
Ah! Ok.

so, you think he was shot then, right?

[Alan]

I did not say that. My comment was there was no blood on his hand coming down when he swatted his head.
Which you repeated in multiple posts. Even the FBI has had to admit that while implying otherwise is often beneficial to preferred narratives, sometimes you have to tell the truth and admit Trump was struck by a bullet and nearly killed.

Of course I'm exaggerating what the FBI actually said, but I think I captured the gist of it pretty succinctly.

[frugal-one]

I wasn’t there. The only thing I saw was as I commented on previously. Obviously it was an assassination attempt. Beyond that I wouldn’t know.

[Tybee]

Where would the shrapnel come from?

[bae]

As to the “shrapnel”, many bullets upon impact tend to disassemble, in particular the jacketing material peels off and travels all sorts of odd directions. If it was a wound from a piece of “shrapnel”, I could imagine the bullet struck something else along the way, and part of the bullet core or the jacketing whizzed right through the ear - I’d reckon that as a bullet wound, myself, all other things being equal. Just not a wound from the entire projectile.

Dr. Gupta’s (CNN’s go-to medical expert) overly-dramatic discussion of the terminal ballistic performance of the round fired by the AR-15 are a bit silly too.

His initial accounts, and those of other Internet terminal ballistics experts who did their “research” via Google and/or by shooting ballistic gelatin in the past few weeks are mostly just laughable. A .223 clipping the cartilaginous bits of the ear isn’t going to produce a shock wave causing brain damage, or much initial blood.(*)(**)


(*) I used to consult with Dr. Martin Fackler at the Army’s Wound Ballistics lab at Letterman (doing data analysis on wounds, ammunition performance, and tissue simulations), and was an initial member of the International Wound Ballistics Association (to apply science to the junk and lore that dominated the field decades ago), have examined hundreds of gunshot wounds in biological tissue, and thousands in tissue simulations, and have perhaps a more nuanced opinion.

(**) I’ve also had a large chunk of one of my ears cut off by a fast-moving sharp object, initial bloodflow was modest, and they sewed it right back on, you can hardly see a scar these days.

[ToomuchStuff]

Where would the shrapnel come from?

Possibly (since we haven't seen the ballistics or other evidence), parts of one of the bullets that either killed that one individual, or the two others wounded (if they were only hit by shrapnel ricocheting).
We would actually need facts to know. what I stated above is just an example of where it could have come from.

[Tybee]

Thank you, that makes sense. I didn't understand if it was blowback somehow from the person killed. Like, where did it come from. I looked up shrapnel and was surprised it was named after Lord Shrapnel.

[iris lilies]

I spent a couple of minutes listening to Brett Weinstein’s hypothesis about Joe Biden’s strange absence (this was back on July 23) as noted on Jonah Goldberg’s podcast. Jonah highlighted it just to point out the CRAZY theories going around about this Trump shooting. I won’t dignify Weinstein’s idea by explaining how a Biden absence ties in to the Trump shooting.

This is the SANE Weinstein brother.

A few days ago I tuned in for a few minutes of a 3 hour debate with the INSANE Weinstein brother, Eric, and Terrance Howard, a Hollywood actor. Howard believes he holds an important key to theoretical physics. His hypothesis seems to start with challenging the truth of 1 x 1=1. He seems to think 1 x 1=2. For once maybe, Eric Weinstein wasn’t the craziest person in the room.

These wackadoodle people, good god. The Weinsteins have put in some good licks in certain areas of public discourse but man, they have moved to the fringey fringe.

[Rogar]

Assuming it’s not doctored in some sort of software, I’m of the opinion that the answer to much of the wild speculation can be answered in the amateur photo of the bullet trajectory as it whizzes past Donald. With a one eight thousanth of a second shutter speed. It’s popular and easy to find.