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Do you folks think we will see a peaceful transfer of power after the presidential election this year?
What do you see happening?
Key Dates:
November 5, 2024—Election Day
December 11, 2024—States issue Certificates of Ascertainment
December 17, 2024—electors vote in their States
December 25, 2024—electoral votes arrive
On or before January 3, 2025—Archivist transfers Certificates to Congress
January 6, 2025—Congress counts the electoral votes
January 20, 2025 at Noon—Inauguration Day
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/key-dates
gimmethesimplelife
9-15-24, 11:13pm
Do you folks think we will see a peaceful transfer of power after the presidential election this year?
What do you see happening?
Key Dates:
November 5, 2024—Election Day
December 11, 2024—States issue Certificates of Ascertainment
December 17, 2024—electors vote in their States
December 25, 2024—electoral votes arrive
On or before January 3, 2025—Archivist transfers Certificates to Congress
January 6, 2025—Congress counts the electoral votes
January 20, 2025 at Noon—Inauguration Day
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/key-datesI have little faith in a peaceful transfer. I also worry of Third Reich style attacks against Haitian migrants with Springfield, OH starring as epicenter. I worry about DJT being finished off at any minute (not good for the stock market). I worry about so much - this is a horrible time to be a US citizen. I guess I'll do.what I've done before - think to myself that I'm not in Atlanta during Sherman's invasion....That would have been worse.
Rob
Do you folks think we will see a peaceful transfer of power after the presidential election this year?
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Yes.
rosarugosa
9-16-24, 6:41am
I hope so. I do have some concerns if Harris wins after what happened the last time.
I am at about a 70% confidence level that we will NOT have any incidents. Yesterday, it would have been a little higher, until some idiot tried another assassination attempt. There are going to be growing numbers of angry people on both sides unless there is a very clear winner, which I don't think there will be.
I'm not especially seeing outright violent civil unrest, but am guessing the election will be so close that there will be demands for recounts, accusations of election fraud or interference, and a legal kerfuffle. More so if Don doesn't win.
littlebittybobby
9-16-24, 11:19am
okay-----i anticipate that if Trump should get more votes counted than his opponent and be declared the winner, that the Fanaticrats will have to burn and loot(peacefully, of course) in numerous blue cities on both coasts and in the upper midwest. just to show their perpetual dissatisfaction. yup.
ToomuchStuff
9-16-24, 3:13pm
There will be people on either side saying not my president. Secret service will still be on high alert no matter which one wins. People will still hate and be hateful as can be seen on this board.
The actual transition, I expect will go pretty much normal.
gimmethesimplelife
9-16-24, 6:19pm
I am trying to take some vacation time around the election to get myself and my Mother and SO plus his folks to Mexico for a few days around the Elections. There are too many parallels to my Homeland in 1938 and the United States has not earned my denial of this one. Better safe than sorry.....it can't hurt to exit for a few days to get a scope of how nightmarish the GOP has made things and what the consequences of their complete and utter disrespect for human beings will be. Better to be out of the country. And yes indeed - I get that I am privileged as I can likely pull this off for a few days for safety whereas many Americans are not worth human rights to this level.
I just wish such were not necessary, but it's not my fault the United States has sunk to this. My responsibility is to my SO and my Mother and my in laws and that responsibility screams exit the United States for a few days. YMMV, I get that. Rob
What sort of planning/preparations are you making for yourself, your family, and your community for the next few months?
iris lilies
10-14-24, 9:21pm
I am trying to take some vacation time around the election to get myself and my Mother and SO plus his folks to Mexico for a few days around the Elections. There are too many parallels to my Homeland in 1938 and the United States has not earned my denial of this one. Better safe than sorry.....it can't hurt to exit for a few days to get a scope of how nightmarish the GOP has made things and what the consequences of their complete and utter disrespect for human beings will be. Better to be out of the country. And yes indeed - I get that I am privileged as I can likely pull this off for a few days for safety whereas many Americans are not worth human rights to this level.
I just wish such were not necessary, but it's not my fault the United States has sunk to this. My responsibility is to my SO and my Mother and my in laws and that responsibility screams exit the United States for a few days. YMMV, I get that. Rob
but why only for a few days? What is that going to do?
catherine
10-14-24, 9:31pm
What sort of planning/preparations are you making for yourself, your family, and your community for the next few months?
It sounds like you're expecting people should plan for potential violence if there happens to be a very disappointed electorate. Frankly, it's crossed my mind but I haven't made any specific plans.
littlebittybobby
10-15-24, 1:00am
okay----the ONLY reason I can see the Hyena winning is by a slim margin of voters fearful of and trying to prevent the OJ/ Rodney effect: i.e. massive civil disturbances and looting & destruction for months on end, due to an outcome that doesn't suit the peace-loving left. (Ha) So, they vote(oh, well) for the demmacrats thinking it'll keep the peace. Simple as that. But yeah---hope thatt helps you some. Thankk mee.
It sounds like you're expecting people should plan for potential violence if there happens to be a very disappointed electorate. Frankly, it's crossed my mind but I haven't made any specific plans.
I'm expecting there is a likelihood of "interesting things" happening. I'm not sure what "interesting" exactly means yet.
Our county emergency response organizations are planning/preparing for a variety of options, since there seems to be a chance that y'all over on the mainland may act "interestingly".
Mind you, we were paranoid about Covid as well, prepared and acted before most of the rest of the country, and had one of the best responses/outcomes in the USA. Doesn't cost too much to think out some scenarios and have some preparations in place.
Our top troubles, from the discussions of recent, revolve around logistics, not violence.
I'm expecting there is a likelihood of "interesting things" happening. I'm not sure what "interesting" exactly means yet.
Our county emergency response organizations are planning/preparing for a variety of options, since there seems to be a chance that y'all over on the mainland may act "interestingly".
Mind you, we were paranoid about Covid as well, prepared and acted before most of the rest of the country, and had one of the best responses/outcomes in the USA. Doesn't cost too much to think out some scenarios and have some preparations in place.
Our top troubles, from the discussions of recent, revolve around logistics, not violence.
Wasn’t it Omar Bradley who said “Amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics”?
but why only for a few days? What is that going to do?
I had that same thought. What good would it have done to cross the border into Italy for a few days after the Anschluss?
I'm not expecting anything of consequence in my little corner of suburbia. I'm probably ok with various supply chain issues for at least a few weeks, although utilities could be troublesome. I am hardly a prepper.
EDIT to add... there is a noticeable dearth of the usual campaign yard signs, both local and presidential, around my neighborhood. I've wondered if people are afraid of some sort of reprisal from what ever the opposite side is. That's a little concerning.
I’m not expecting anything to happen in our 86% biden county if the election ends poorly for the america haters. There just aren’t enough magas to cause any problems.
We don’t see a lot of yard signs other than the random trump sign. Ours is the only Harris/walz sign I’ve seen. SO got an ‘I’m voting for Gus’s dad’ shirt to wear to the gym to counter the one person that wears various maga gear.
rosarugosa
10-17-24, 8:02am
Rogar: I think you've hit the nail on the head about the lack of signs. There aren't too many around here either. We're in the weird position of being in a red town within a deep blue state, so I do see more Trump signs in my town.
JP1: I don't know if this sounds paranoid or defensive or whatever, but I don't think I like your SO's shirt. It kind of feels sexist to me to tout voting for the VP, who is a man, rather than the presidential candidate, who is a woman. I'm also confident that your SO did not intend it that way, but that's still how it strikes me, FWIW.
I haven't seen any political signs in my neighborhood this election cycle with the exception of a county commissioner down the street. She must have 20 signs in her yard, although about half of them are her own.
catherine
10-17-24, 10:14am
I agree that there are very few political signs although I'm in a rural area. If I had a political sign up no one would see it. However the streets are lined with signs put up by the local candidates.
In my town, it’s sort of patchy. Some neighborhoods are completely bare. Others sprout signs like mushrooms after a rain. I get the feeling they maybe feed on each other. About equal between parties. Apart from this being a swing state, we’ve got a particularly nasty senate campaign going on. Lots of outside money flowing into the state, so piles of cash going into signs and TV/radio/web/print advertising. I can’t tell you how many texts and robocalls I’ve gotten. Strangely, hardly any buttons are visible.
In the sticks, I’d say Trump has a 90% edge in the sign wars.
JP1: I don't know if this sounds paranoid or defensive or whatever, but I don't think I like your SO's shirt. It kind of feels sexist to me to tout voting for the VP, who is a man, rather than the presidential candidate, who is a woman. I'm also confident that your SO did not intend it that way, but that's still how it strikes me, FWIW.
I can see that although that certainly isn’t SO’s intent or likely the intent of the person who came up with the idea. I saw it as a pushback against the ugly maga asshats making fun of Gus for having emotions, and displaying them, when his father was speaking at the convention.
rosarugosa
10-18-24, 7:12am
I can see that although that certainly isn’t SO’s intent or likely the intent of the person who came up with the idea. I saw it as a pushback against the ugly maga asshats making fun of Gus for having emotions, and displaying them, when his father was speaking at the convention.
There is no question in my mind that his intentions were nothing but the best.
iris lilies
10-18-24, 11:26am
I would see SO’s shirt and would have no idea what it meant.
I would see SO’s shirt and would have no idea what it meant.
It refers to when Walz gave his speech at the convention and the cameras showed his son Gus standing and clapping and crying, and shouting "That's my dad!" clearly proud of his father. Some conservative commentators felt the need to mock a teenage boy for such a public display of emotion.
catherine
10-18-24, 7:01pm
It refers to when Walz gave his speech at the convention and the cameras showed his son Gus standing and clapping and crying, and shouting "That's my dad!" clearly proud of his father. Some conservative commentators felt the need to mock a teenage boy for such a public display of emotion.
I loved the pushback from that commentary--especially toward Ann Coulter, but after years of the media protecting Barron Trump, suddenly those rules were out the window as far as the conservative faction goes.
I loved the pushback from that commentary--especially toward Ann Coulter, but after years of the media protecting Barron Trump, suddenly those rules were out the window as far as the conservative faction goes.
And coulter is childless. I wonder what Vance hasn’t said anything about that.
frugal-one
10-19-24, 4:16pm
In my town, it’s sort of patchy. Some neighborhoods are completely bare. Others sprout signs like mushrooms after a rain. I get the feeling they maybe feed on each other. About equal between parties. Apart from this being a swing state, we’ve got a particularly nasty senate campaign going on. Lots of outside money flowing into the state, so piles of cash going into signs and TV/radio/web/print advertising. I can’t tell you how many texts and robocalls I’ve gotten. Strangely, hardly any buttons are visible.
In the sticks, I’d say Trump has a 90% edge in the sign wars.
I have moved from WI and am getting phone texts about the election. Think rural WI is mostly trumpsville....
Politico had a recent article called, "The very real scenario where Trump loses and takes power anyway". They point out that if he losses he faces a lifetime of legal charges, but if he take power, they go away. I see it as highly likely, as he will be desperate.
They detail several ways this might happen and several seem plausible, for example,
"He will deepen distrust in the election results by making unsupported or hyperbolic claims of widespread voter fraud and mounting longshot lawsuits challenging enough ballots to flip the outcome in key states", or "He will call on allies in GOP-controlled swing-state legislatures to appoint “alternate” presidential electors."
Politico now requires some sort of registration and login which I'm just now trying. Apparently there is no charge to access that I've seen.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/10/20/trump-overturn-2024-election-plan-00184103
iris lilies
10-20-24, 10:36am
Politico had a recent article called, "The very real scenario where Trump loses and takes power anyway". They point out that if he losses he faces a lifetime of legal charges, but if he take power, they go away. I see it as highly likely, as he will be desperate.
They detail several ways this might happen and several seem plausible, for example,
"He will deepen distrust in the election results by making unsupported or hyperbolic claims of widespread voter fraud and mounting longshot lawsuits challenging enough ballots to flip the outcome in key states", or "He will call on allies in GOP-controlled swing-state legislatures to appoint “alternate” presidential electors."
Politico now requires some sort of registration and login which I'm just now trying. Apparently there is no charge to access that I've seen.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/10/20/trump-overturn-2024-election-plan-00184103
The great predictive powers of Politico have Trump doing what he has been doing for the past several years. Brilliant.
gimmethesimplelife
10-20-24, 10:57am
I'm not expecting anything of consequence in my little corner of suburbia. I'm probably ok with various supply chain issues for at least a few weeks, although utilities could be troublesome. I am hardly a prepper.
EDIT to add... there is a noticeable dearth of the usual campaign yard signs, both local and presidential, around my neighborhood. I've wondered if people are afraid of some sort of reprisal from what ever the opposite side is. That's a little concerning.OMG I've noticed this, too. Hardly any signs out in the neighborhood even though it's deep dark blue. Interestingly enough the only sign out is from our transplants from Wichita KS, I posted about a few years back now sporting a Harris/Walz sign in their rented yard. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
10-20-24, 11:00am
but why only for a few days? What is that going to do?I believe violence from the Far Right may start the evening of 11/5 should Harris win. It's good to be out of the country to guage the scope of potential upcoming instability/insanity. Rob
The great predictive powers of Politico have Trump doing what he has been doing for the past several years. Brilliant.
heck, I wished I'd have thought of it before, too. I suppose everyone knows that his respect for the constitution is miniscule.
iris lilies
10-29-24, 12:39pm
About an honest election:
I realize the predominant narrative here is that the Republicans will do anything to get their candidate into office. They will attempt to break the wheels of democracy to carry out their evil intent.
But in my Republican county, the election official, our county clerk, was absolutely indignant when she wrote about the last election and any hint of wrongdoing in Gasconade County. She was answering questions including one about discrepancy of number of votes for President in relation to the total number of votes cast. There were fewer votes cast for president than total voters. She said that’s common with every election, some voters just do not vote for President.
oh and our election official county clerk is a Republican herself because she came to our Republican caucus and stood with the Trump side of the room.
It’s impossible for people like JP to trust she is upholding a fair and honest election, but I trust her. And ironically, the blue city where I moved from is the place that had a court ordered new election because the previous one had been corrupted by… I know this is hard to believe… hard-core Democrats.
I’m mostly not so worried about local and state election officials. Sure, there were a couple last time around that showed us how much they hate America but those losers are mostly now in jail like the woman in Colorado. Much more concerning is whatever v 2.0 plan the orange traitor has for the House of Representatives and slates of electors. If he’s going to succeed at overthrowing the government that’s where it’s going to happen.
I don't know why but I was compelled to listen to American Tune by Paul Simon this morning. It is a very fitting song for all the political/cultural craziness going on right now.
frugal-one
10-31-24, 5:47pm
I don't know why but I was compelled to listen to American Tune by Paul Simon this morning. It is a very fitting song for all the political/cultural craziness going on right now.
I was sent "The Day Democracy Died" by Don Maclean this week by a Canadian. It is not just the US that is concerned...
Meanwhile in Washington State:
https://governor.wa.gov/news/2024/inslee-activates-some-washington-national-guard-members-support-public-safety-activities-related
I was a little surprised to learn those pro-Gaza incendiary devices did so little actual damage in the PNW. Were those ballot collection boxes equipped with some sort of fire suppression?
I was a little surprised to learn those pro-Gaza incendiary devices did so little actual damage in the PNW. Were those ballot collection boxes equipped with some sort of fire suppression?
Yes.
For those who would like to feed their paranoia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/04/technology/telegram-right-wing-groups-election.html
"Right-wing groups, which use Telegram to organize real-world actions, are urging followers to watch the polls and stand up for their rights, in a harbinger of potential chaos".
iris lilies
11-4-24, 5:49pm
For those who would like to feed their paranoia.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/04/technology/telegram-right-wing-groups-election.html
"Right-wing groups, which use Telegram to organize real-world actions, are urging followers to watch the polls and stand up for their rights, in a harbinger of potential chaos".
Hermann won’t have any violent protestors.
The city of St. Louis will be fine because cops, businesses, and citizens are accustomed to the violent protests of Black Lives Matter, Ferguson spill over, and etc. So what if a few stores are looted, a building here or there burned, a cop shot. It isn’t anything new here.
/sarcasm
ToomuchStuff
11-5-24, 9:43am
I doubt there will be any in mine. A few weeks ago, I went down my street and it was neighbor with Harris sign, Trump sign next door, all down the street. Most pulled them down when they realized the neighborhood was 50/50 and I think most just want to be done with the BS.
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