Let the debate begin?

[jp1]

What an ugly, hateful man JD Vance is. Spreading ugly stories about immigrants that he knows to be false is simply dispicable.

Today on CNN's "State of the Union." he said "If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do."

[SiouzQ.]

As a person of Jewish descent, both of them continuing to double-down on this abhorrent lie chills me to the bone. What's next, a 21st century Kristallnacht? I have this disquiting fear (hopefully unfounded) that homes and business will get destroyed and people will end up getting killed if this continues.

Then I read on CNBC that "The Trump campaign is organizing a visit to Springfield, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News on Sunday. Former GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, now a surrogate for the Trump campaign, also announced Sunday that he would host a town hall in Springfield on Thursday." Along with the white supremicist gangs that have been perpetuating this crap as well, what could possibly go wrong?"

[frugal-one]

As someone doing money management for decades, I find the chances that a Trump victory will cause serious disruptions to be non-zero, and reaching to the level of significance, and as I have mentioned previously, have already deployed the assets under management to account for this chance.

I do not have similar concerns with Harris.

If I'm wrong, I'll lose a little upside. If I'm right, I'll avoid a serious downside.

Care to clarify how you have deployed the assets under management?

[gimmethesimplelife]

As a person of Jewish descent, both of their them continuing to double-down on this abhorrent lie chills me to the bone. What's next, a 21st century Kristallnacht? I have this disquiting fear (hopefully unfounded) that homes and business will get destroyed and people will end up getting killed if this continues.

Then I read on CNBC that "The Trump campaign is organizing a visit to Springfield, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News on Sunday. Former GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, now a surrogate for the Trump campaign, also announced Sunday that he would host a town hall in Springfield on Thursday." Along with the white supremicist gangs that have been perpetuating this crap as well, what could possibly go wrong?"

Yes. I didn't want to post it as I am no stranger to controversy on this board.....but I am afraid of this turning into a Kristallnacht situation myself. These over the top BS lies to me are the most offensive words out of his mouth yet. I just wish he'd go away Rob

[early morning]

I spend a fair amount of time in Springfield. I am not afraid of the Haitians - indeed, they are the least of my worries. I am becoming much more leery of white men in general. And that's a damn shame, because MOST OF THEM ARE FINE! But even if the Haitians WERE doing anything to "cats and dogs" which from all realistic accounts they are not - how would that justify the bomb threats? Schools and public buildings are closed. Colleges are online for classes. This is insane! What is WRONG with people?? And don't start with the "but the left..." NO. Just NO. I am so sick of this BS.

As a purported Christian, JD Vance should be sorely ashamed of what he is doing - he sickens me. The more I hear from him, the more I doubt that he wrote any part of "his" best-seller. Or maybe Kennedy's brain-worm has reproduced??

[Tradd]

Yes, the bomb threats and stuff are just so over the top.

[Rogar]

As a purported Christian, JD Vance should be sorely ashamed of what he is doing - he sickens me. The more I hear from him, the more I doubt that he wrote any part of "his" best-seller. Or maybe Kennedy's brain-worm has reproduced??

I can imagine telling children that not only is it ok to lie in order to get your way, but it may get you to be Vice President or even President some day.

Teach your children well...

[catherine]

Even though I support Democratic Socialists like Bernie Sanders, as I've said elsewhere, I am not in favor of some of the government handouts being touted these days, like down payments for home buyers and student loan forgiveness--(although I kind of support that because of their usurious loan structures--I consider partial forgiveness to be relief from the crazy interest Sallie and Freddie charged in the past.

To me, there are systemic flaws at this point that need to be fixed in order eliminate the need for handouts to make people feel they are living prosperously. Some of these handouts are unsustainable band-aids. That is my problem with Kamala's "opportunity economy." I think the biggest systemic flaw is the wealth inequality gap that has decimated the middle class but that's a whole other topic.

Just to add to this, I don't believe everyone is entitled to loan forgiveness or home ownership because those are choices. You can go to an expensive college, or not. Living in a rental is not going to significantly compromise your quality of life.

However, I do believe that because poor health for the most part is "unearned," universal healthcare is an entitlement I can support. Not just for those of us who unfortunately have to access healthcare and endure the costs, but because we all suffer from a truly dysfunctional system. Here is an article in MedPage Today that highlights the sorry state of the "greatest nation in the world" falling behind 9 other countries in quality of healthcare.

Conclusion: The U.S. continues to be in a class by itself in the underperformance of its health care sector. While the other nine countries differ in the details of their systems and in their performance on domains, unlike the U.S., they all have found a way to meet their residents’ most basic health care needs, including universal coverage.

[littlebittybobby]

okay----The Media is fine with Bomb Threats. It gives them more NEWS to report about how DANGEROUS those right-wingers really are. But you know what? I would not be surprised if the anonymous threats were made by deranged left-wing fanatics under the guise of being right-wingers, so The Media can report it as such! See how that works? Right now, even the most smug demmmacrats are jittery and wound very tight, because it doesn't look good for Harris. It won't be a slam-dunk, like dey say in bassabaw. I've seen definite signs of this in my test group---dems i'm on semi-good terms with. normally jovial, now nervous & moody. See? But yeah-- Be careful around them. yup. They may swat you.

[Rogar]

It looks like CBS will be offering some sort of real time fact checking for the VP debate. The story I got is that during the debate they will display a QR code you can scan and it will then show fact check comments from their 20 political experts. Probably a little overdone on the immediacy of things, but a novel idea.