So? Do you have a point here?Originally Posted by bae
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This 80 page report is much like the thousands of such reports that exist, and are likely put on a shelf, in organizations all over. Many of them are produced with grants using the professional DEI folks who will find their work greatly reduced in upcoming years.
was yours? I wonder how many federal dollars found their way i to reports like this…
Did you read the report? I found it very accessible to someone who knows nothing about this field. Very easy to follow.
Just who do you think will handle your next emergency? Why are you dissing the brave people who protect all of us, who are devoted to saving lives? Why obstruct their ability to recruit people to help in their mission by labeling it a wasteful grab of fed dollars? Just who is it that you think fed dollars should be given to? I thought our nation was We, the People.
Honestly, I am baffled by this reaction to this report.
no I’m not going to read an 80 page report offered up to make some sort of point I don’t understand other than sure, these reports exist. Again, I ask: so what is the point being made by bae?
the conclusions you ascribe to me are not correct.
But sure, I applaud bae’s emergency response team in recruiting, hiring, and supporting good employees. I’m not “obstructing their ability “in any way. as for how federal dollar should be spent, you are aware of how incredibly broke our country is, right? I don’t think it’s fine to just merrily carry on spending as we have in the past, although I don’t have any real faith the current administration is going to change that trajectory.
This is the part that baffles me:
"This 80 page report is much like the thousands of such reports that exist, and are likely put on a shelf, in organizations all over. Many of them are produced with grants using the professional DEI folks who will find their work greatly reduced in upcoming years.
was yours? I wonder how many federal dollars found their way i to reports like this…"
If you didn't look at the report, how can you reach these conclusions? Why say things like, "I wonder how many federal dollars found their way [into] reports like this"
when you don't know what the report said, or who wrote it, or what was the intention of the report?
please tell me what is unique about this particular DEI report when compared to the hundreds of other ones produced across the country. You have read it so tell me, why is bae’s report so very different and interesting?
This reminds me of a very specific DEI salary action which benefited me tremendously about the year 1988. See, even back then DEI goals were in place, just not at the level at which we currently pay them attention.
One year I received a huge raise, I’m thinking it was around 15%. . This is a GIANT salary action for a governmental entity. It took place because I was a department head and my only other direct peer was a male department head, and he made more money than I did. City fathers wanted to address these wrongs as we were in a “progressive” University town. You would probably think my reaction at the time was “this wrong has been righted” but it was not my reaction at all. I was embarrassed.
I had hired into this organization from a another place that had paid very low wages, so they didn’t have to pay me much more to get me on board. My male colleague had come from another organization that had already been paying him more so to hire him, my library had to pay him more. It just made sense to me. I’m still shaking my head about that one.
I wasnt more deserving of higher salary, more talented, more productive. I was just female. DEI goals (only we didn't call it DEI back then.)
Said by the man who prolonged the Depression by years through his incessant interference in people’s lives. He had much in common with today’s DEI apparatchiks, who believe their superior intelligence and morality qualifies them to allocate privilege and opportunity based on immutable physical characteristics.
OK then. HE, and his policies, saved my grandparent's farm. AND the farms of most of their neighbors, thus allowing them to support their families. The WPA put people to work, and built a lot of critical infrastructure. The CCC program allowed many young men to send most of their earnings home to support their loved ones. But you know all this. You know that the unemployment rate dropped from around 25% to just below 10% by 1937. I've not read the studies that blame him for prolonging the Depression, I'll have to check that out. I did note that many articles on that topic are from right-wing publications, so I anticipate some bias, lol. In the immediacy of the crisis in the early 1930s though, no one knew what would help. And I'm sure not all of his ideas were good ones. My parents grew up during the depression, so I knew many people FDR's policies impacted. I heard their stories, the hope and help his policies gave them. Sure, he was far from perfect, and many of his ideas were a bit out there. He also was no friend to Southern tenant farmers, most likely because many of them were black. Thank goodness his wife had some impact there. But overall, it sure seems like he had the good of the American working people, not the good of the rich, at heart. You know, kinda like the exact opposite of what we have now.Said by the man who prolonged the Depression by years through his incessant interference in people’s lives. He had much in common with today’s DEI apparatchiks, who believe their superior intelligence and morality qualifies them to allocate privilege and opportunity based on immutable physical characteristics.
So, you were perfectly ok with making less money BECAUSE you were a woman. Wow. Did you ever think about why you were embarrassed? Do you think a man in your position would have been embarassed to have his pay brought up to that of another department head? Do you think our conditioning as woman play into these sorts of actions? I remember people complaining about something "that B Hillary (Clinton)" did, and thinking, if a man did that, it wouldn't have been a big deal - or even would have been cheered. Yeah, we need more DEI training, retroactive.I had hired into this organization from a another place that had paid very low wages, so they didn’t have to pay me much more to get me on board. My male colleague had come from another organization that had already been paying him more so to hire him, my library had to pay him more. It just made sense to me. I’m still shaking my head about that one.
I wasnt more deserving of higher salary, more talented, more productive. I was just female.
This thread is hurting my head!
I didn’t explain that clearly. I made less money not because I was a woman but because I simply cost less to bring in. A man in my exact situation would’ve been offered the same salary as me. In this place of employment, start up salaries were negotiated.So, you were perfectly ok with making less money BECAUSE you were a woman. Wow. Did you ever think about why you were embarrassed? Do you think a man in your position would have been embarassed to have his pay brought up to that of another department head? Do you think our conditioning as woman play into these sorts of actions? I remember people complaining about something "that B Hillary (Clinton)" did, and thinking, if a man did that, it wouldn't have been a big deal - or even would have been cheered. Yeah, we need more DEI training, retroactive.
This thread is hurting my head!
Later after working there a while I received a raise, a big embarrassing one, BECAUSE I was a woman.
I will not argue that societal conditioning plays a role in our cultural life across the general population, but I’m not so sure as you are about my own psychology in this instance. But thanks for your concern. And as far as a hypothetical man in my exact situation, how he would react—who knows? Perhaps you know,I do not.
I actually asked this because I DON'T understand how people see or don't see their own conditioning/past experiences play out in their/our daily lives - and I include myself in this. (yeah that's a pretty tortured sentence, sorry...) Sometimes I react to things and later wonder WHY I had the reaction I did.Perhaps you know,I do not.
I still don't understand why you felt someone who was not more talented or more productive than you should have a higher salary, just because they had one before and therefore "cost" more to entice into your facility. That, to me, makes no sense. obviously, ymmv.
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